Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 7th Feb 2012 17:55 UTC
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y Let this be a lesson. After posts by John Gruber and Shawn King, this happened to Violet Blue. "The misinformation gave a significant number of people fuel to stalk me, attack me for hours at a time, malign, insult me in disgusting ways, threaten me with weapon-specific violent death (an axe), and lead social media attempts to force me to lose my job over the matter. Many referenced John Gruber, and/or his post as they did this. Plans were openly made to make media to attack me - another Angry Mac Bastards podcast." Disgusting story, and sadly enough, this isn't the first time this has happened, as Blue notes in her article. I don't like talking about these matters (you don't want to know the kind of crap that gets thrown my way at times), but I can assure you my inbox has seen its share of pure vitriol after Gruber links to an OSNews piece. It ain't pretty.
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lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

Totally.

The problem is that any criticism of Linux is (however valid) is basically akin to insulting that persons mother. If you bring up the stable ABI/API issue, there are all sorts of excuses and the fabricated.

The problem that really frustrates me that because they won't take any criticism, they will never improve it.

The same is in the Gamer Community, the cycling community (some Mountain Bikers won't ever ride a road bike because it is almost a religious issue, I get called a lot of names because I ride a fixed occasionally, even though I been riding them since I was 14), I am sure there are other examples.

Edited 2012-02-07 18:57 UTC

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JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

The problem that really frustrates me that because they won't take any criticism, they will never improve it.

Problem there is that you equate developers with zealous fanbois.


You heathen! You ride a road bike?!?!?!?!?! Off with your head!

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Problem there is that you equate developers with zealous fanbois.


Well unfortunately you are usually speaking with the latter.

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Delgarde Member since:
2008-08-19

Problem there is that you equate developers with zealous fanbois.


Yeah, that's especially a problem around projects like Gnome and KDE - distinguishing between the people who actually work on the projects, and the partisan supporters who don't.

The former group tend to be fairly rational about the whole thing - at worst, the odd snarky blog post, complaining about lack of cooperation from their rivals.

Unfortunately, the latter group include some of the most rabid individuals on earth, seemingly believing that their chosen desktop is the One True Way, and that the other (and those who support it) must be the work of Satan. And these people unfortunately get seen as representative of the projects, despite being something of an embarrassment to the developers.

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andydread Member since:
2009-02-02

Totally.

The problem is that any criticism of Linux is (however valid) is basically akin to insulting that persons mother. If you bring up the stable ABI/API issue, there are all sorts of excuses and the fabricated.

The problem that really frustrates me that because they won't take any criticism, they will never improve it.

The same is in the Gamer Community, the cycling community (some Mountain Bikers won't ever ride a road bike because it is almost a religious issue, I get called a lot of names because I ride a fixed occasionally, even though I been riding them since I was 14), I am sure there are other examples.



You must have some powerful legs and tough as hell shin bones. I tried riding a friends fixed wheel with no brakes. never again. I leave that for the brave.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Foot retention is the key and I use two brakes "just in case".

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Valhalla Member since:
2006-01-24


The problem is that any criticism of Linux is (however valid) is basically akin to insulting that persons mother. If you bring up the stable ABI/API issue, there are all sorts of excuses and the fabricated.

The problem that really frustrates me that because they won't take any criticism, they will never improve it.

Ah, you're singling out of Linux, how surprising.

Of course the truth is that there's the diehard fans in all these camps, Linux, BSD, Apple, Microsoft, they may be disproportional to their user numbers, for instance I think their are much less percentages of Windows users who are diehard fans then there are of operating system with much smaller userbases like Linux, BSD and OSX, but they do exist which you are ample proof of.

And just as diehard fans of any other OS/vendor, you will jump in and defend Microsoft in just about every situation and not accept criticism.

The reason why I think there are lesser (proportionally) diehard fans of Microsoft is because with the other OS'es the users actively seek them out (as in consciously choosing them) rather than having it come as a standard part of their computer purchase.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Ah, you're singling out of Linux, how surprising


Well I did actually single out Online Gamers first.

Of course the truth is that there's the diehard fans in all these camps, Linux, BSD, Apple, Microsoft, they may be disproportional to their user numbers, for instance I think their are much less percentages of Windows users who are diehard fans then there are of operating system with much smaller userbases like Linux, BSD and OSX, but they do exist which you are ample proof of.


The thing is I will keep pointing this out, I used Linux from 2003-2009 and I also used IRIX until 2005, mainly for Matlab and Ansys.

I own 2 PCs, 1 which runs OpenBSD and the other Windows 7, another media PC that runs Fedora 15 (I think) and another laptop that runs XP.

To claim I am a fanboy is when the 50% of my machines don't run Windows is quite funny.

I think you confuse things such as

"I don't understand why someone would buy a Windows Tablet and Run Linux on it" as fanboyism.

And just as diehard fans of any other OS/vendor, you will jump in and defend Microsoft in just about every situation and not accept criticism.


TBH 50% of the time I am trolling mainly because if anything about Microsoft is mentioned you will get some idiot chiming about it being unstable, slow etc etc.

50% of the time I am serious. I have admined Linux Servers as job for about 9 months and everything worked fine. It is great for hosting LAMP, RoR.

However I personally like working with VS and SQL Server, and to some point I do evangelise it ... because I think it is good.

The reason why I think there are lesser (proportionally) diehard fans of Microsoft is because with the other OS'es the users actively seek them out (as in consciously choosing them) rather than having it come as a standard part of their computer purchase.


This is partially it, however many people when it comes to alternative operating systems have made an emotional investment in it, and it becomes the one true way.

Edited 2012-02-08 08:17 UTC

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