Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 7th Feb 2012 17:55 UTC
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y Let this be a lesson. After posts by John Gruber and Shawn King, this happened to Violet Blue. "The misinformation gave a significant number of people fuel to stalk me, attack me for hours at a time, malign, insult me in disgusting ways, threaten me with weapon-specific violent death (an axe), and lead social media attempts to force me to lose my job over the matter. Many referenced John Gruber, and/or his post as they did this. Plans were openly made to make media to attack me - another Angry Mac Bastards podcast." Disgusting story, and sadly enough, this isn't the first time this has happened, as Blue notes in her article. I don't like talking about these matters (you don't want to know the kind of crap that gets thrown my way at times), but I can assure you my inbox has seen its share of pure vitriol after Gruber links to an OSNews piece. It ain't pretty.
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Shkaba
Member since:
2006-06-22

Anyway, most of the people I know that own Apple products in IRL aren't apple fanbois. They are usually Young professionals, that want nice things, I am the only "PC" guy in the office of 100 people and I am also the only one that knows how to use a *nix terminal (which makes be the alpha geek). Most of them buy apple products because they are "cool" or they want something to spend their XMAS bonus on as a treat.

I have different view of people that buy apple products:
- Spoiled kids who heard that iThings are the best
- Mediocre people who are desperate to get noticed, they keep flaunting their iThings and keep spreading iEvangelism
- An occasional normal/sane person who gets attracted by shiny design (btw this is the area where iThings are good at)
- A geek wannabe (I know one personaly)

---Back to topic---
This is not the first time that iFan sites have deliberately skewed the truth. It is the very definition of a fanboi not to care about facts or what the intended point was. If there is a chance that anything will effect public/online perception of anything i related, attacks will come in hard and en-masse.


***DISCLAIMER***
I do not claim to be objective as I have a deep dislike for Apple, which I consider one the most un-ethical corporations.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

And most of these are quite harmless in themselves. If someone wants to show off their new Gadget and feel special for a bit, I honestly don't see the problem. I like to show off my new bicycle/pc/motorbike mod to my mates.

The problem is that when it turns almost religious. Me and my manager (Apple Fanboi) would regularly trade jibes at one another about Mac/Windows etc etc, in the same way my OpenBSD mate would trade jokes about respective OSes.

I trade jokes with a friend of mine, she is a tri-athlete, the joke is that tri-athletes fall off their bikes more often than "real" road cyclists like myself.

However I have met those that are zealot like in their opinions In Real Life and I normally take the piss until they storm off.

Anyway back OT.

Yes some iFan websites probably do skew topics. But there are probably examples in pretty much any online community.

There are always going to be people that act like sheep online, irrespective on whether they own Apple products or not.

Edited 2012-02-07 19:06 UTC

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Shkaba Member since:
2006-06-22

And most of these are quite harmless in themselves. If someone wants to show off their new Gadget and feel special for a bit, I honestly don't see the problem. I like to show off my new bicycle/pc/motorbike mod to my mates. The problem is that when it turns almost religious.

I agree completely! I couldn't care less what gadget one is using as long as they go about their business. It is when people start spreading brand evangelism that I get irritated. And idealizing a brand?? C'mon, please spare me.

I trade jokes with a friend of mine, she is a tri-athlete, the joke is that tri-athletes fall off their bikes more often than "real" road cyclists like myself.


I, too, trade jokes with a friend of mine, he is a scratch golfer and whenever he comments on my golf swing (which is terrible btw) I remind him of judo tournamnets that I've won. I guess what I trying to say is that: tri-athletes are good at a number of things while road cyclists only in one.

*No slight intended*

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Peter Besenbruch Member since:
2006-03-13

The problem is that when it turns almost religious. Me and my manager (Apple Fanboi) would regularly trade jibes at one another about Mac/Windows etc etc, in the same way my OpenBSD mate would trade jokes about respective OSes.


We need a better definition here. You need a religion that is willing to attack people and lie for the "Truth." Specifically, we are talking about a kind of politicized fundamentalism here. An example from my own religious background of Christianity. There are Christians who dislike Darwin's theory of evolution, and misrepresent it, either deliberately, or through an ignorance that frankly doesn't place a high value on accuracy. Further, they then attack the character of those they perceive as enemies of the faith.

Contrast this with other religious people, who actually value truth telling highly. In the computer sphere, I would consider a high number of Linux users to be followers of a religion. It's a religion that emphasizes certain values like freedom, sharing, stewardship, and community. It is a community that has its zealots, like me, who seek to spread Linux awareness and use, but that's a long way from "lying for the sake of the Truth."

There are always going to be people that act like sheep online, irrespective on whether they own Apple products or not.


I don't think the people described by Violet Blue are acting like sheep. They are acting like a mob targeting an enemy. Sheep don't do this. They band together for protection. These guys want to intimidate, kill and destroy. They don't want protection; they want power.

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macUser Member since:
2006-12-15

I have different view of people that buy apple products:
- Spoiled kids who heard that iThings are the best
- Mediocre people who are desperate to get noticed, they keep flaunting their iThings and keep spreading iEvangelism
- An occasional normal/sane person who gets attracted by shiny design (btw this is the area where iThings are good at)
- A geek wannabe (I know one personaly)


Of course, you're better than those chumps! Of course if I had the same opinion of you for using brand X, I'd be a frothing idiot fanboi!

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Shkaba Member since:
2006-06-22

Of course, you're better than those chumps! Of course if I had the same opinion of you for using brand X, I'd be a frothing idiot fanboi!


You may indeed call me a fanboi! I am a staunch supporter of linux. I donate my time and money (modestly) for the cause. What you and most people do not seem to get, is that, when it comes to oss it is a philosophy that we support, not a brand. A valiant idea of software being free and accesible, and not identifying with a shiny plastic/aluminium gadget.

Of course I am *better*

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r_a_trip Member since:
2005-07-06

Of course, you're better than those chumps! Of course if I had the same opinion of you for using brand X, I'd be a frothing idiot fanboi!

Generalizations are not reality, but generalizations do contain a kernel of (distorted) truth. The generalization about Apple users takes the worst attributes of part of the iCrowd and condenses it into a grotesque charicature.

There are probably millions of Apple customers silently enjoying their Apple kit and going about their own business. It's the iFan crowd, the group that latches on too desperately to the Apple marketing message of "hip, cool, different", who portray the worst kind of behavior.

Any time a person with a lack of selfworth and a craving for acknowledgement tries to escape that horrid condition by substituting selfworth and personality with external possesions, you end up with an unbearable, vapid idiot. It's not exclusively connected to Apple or electronics. It also manifests itself in clothing, cars, sporting goods, etc.

Maybe you've never encountered them, but they all roughly have the same M.O. The < insert item X of brand Y here > is so much better than < insert item A of brand B here >. I couldn't do without. It really changed my life. Maybe you should get one too! All the while waving the "magical" thingamajig in your face and forcing attention on it. They have to do that, because the assumed "magic" is contained in the thing and not the person. The vapid idiot hopes that some of the magic will be associated to him/her by virtue of owning it.

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Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22


I have different view of people that buy apple products:
- Spoiled kids who heard that iThings are the best
- Mediocre people who are desperate to get noticed, they keep flaunting their iThings and keep spreading iEvangelism
- An occasional normal/sane person who gets attracted by shiny design (btw this is the area where iThings are good at)
- A geek wannabe (I know one personaly)


And oddly this group of people seem to be growing by tens of millions every year. How odd. I wonder what caused that?

Loved the "I know one personally" remark. Made me laugh.

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