Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 8th Feb 2012 23:15 UTC
Internet & Networking "While the file-sharing ecosystem is currently filled with uncertainty and doubt, researchers at Delft University of Technology continue to work on their decentralized BitTorrent network. Their Tribler client doesn't require torrent sites to find or download content, as it is based on pure peer-to-peer communication. 'The only way to take it down is to take the Internet down,' the lead researcher says." In a way, the efforts by Hollywood and the corrupt US Congress is actually increasing the resiliency of peer-to-peer technology. Karma.
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ASmith
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2012-02-10

No Alfman, I am not on the Anomos team, I'm pointing out the obvious choice of what I feel is already a superior and safer torrent handler/client protocal.

Why Bittorrent Over Tor Isn't A Good Idea

https://blog.torproject.org/blog/bittorrent-over-tor-isnt-good-idea

Anomos P2P near 360 degree total distribution scheme setup by Anomos appears to not only be unique but imo superior also. Not sure if you are up on spiralgraphs Alfman, (nifty swirly art) but the Anomos Website has some nice artsy photos you can look at regarding how wide the non-centralized distribution scheme is. Torrent's require a tracker, Tribbler, Anomos is no exception. HOWEVER, the Anomos tracker doesn't require nor need anyones IPs and a rule for trackers would re-enforce that with no logs either. Encrypted files, No IPs.

As to my taking the time and effort to actually address WHY someone should consider safer forms of torrent file sharing as you spew Alfman 'a bad sales pitch' well any worthwhile reply to that flaming comment would simply be deleted so I won't waste my time and effort on that.

Edited 2012-02-10 07:53 UTC

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Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

ASmith,

"Why Bittorrent Over Tor Isn't A Good Idea"

That's a good warning, thanks for looking it up.

However I didn't want to imply Anomos was literally bittorrent over tor, just asking whether the overall architecture works that way, because from a cursory overview that seems to be the case.


"Torrent's require a tracker, Tribbler, Anomos is no exception. HOWEVER, the Anomos tracker doesn't require nor need anyones IPs and a rule for trackers would re-enforce that with no logs either. Encrypted files, No IPs."

I think you missed what they're trying to achieve with Tribler's decentralization, they are creating a P2P network *without* a centralized tracker because they view that as a vulnerability to the network. If nothing else, read the first paragraph of the Tribler article which explains that. Anomos and Tribler may be able to benefit from each other's work in the future.

"As to my taking the time and effort to actually address WHY someone should consider safer forms of torrent file sharing as you spew Alfman 'a bad sales pitch' well any worthwhile reply to that flaming comment would simply be deleted so I won't waste my time and effort on that."

I didn't mean to offend. I'm just interested in the CS aspects. For the record though, I don't have the ability to delete your posts, and I wouldn't do so if I did.

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ASmith Member since:
2012-02-10

Fair enough Alfman. Yes at first glance one could easily think the Anomos atorrent client handling is quite similar to that of Tor.

Like what Tribler is trying to accomplish, Anomos operates in a decentralized tracker/peer fashion which address's the current police state locate, smash and grab on centralized torrent tracking servers.

Like Vuze's Swarmstream, Anomos also haystacks torrent streams which makes it a headache to discern content and orgins.

Unlike Tribler, uTorrent, Deluge, Transmission and Vuze torrent handlers, Anomos also encrypts the actual files, not just the connection and they are decrypted on the receiving end on the fly. ANYONE obtaining a small encrypted snippet of a much larger file would not be able to claim xyz in any logical nor legal fashion, it would in fact be identical to a randomized data stream. Agency's demanding proxy server logs wouldn't find any torrent peers IP's listed on them if users had used Anomos atorrent clients.

IF proxy (Push-Pull Mode) servers cached small parts of the Anomos encrypted atorrent files, again those encrypted snippets would not yield anything that would/could be found to be more than a randomized data stream. IF the proxy server had no means to locally decrypt that atorrent data stream themselves you have a legal in my opinion and entirely plausible deniability which ultimately and effectively shifts the burden of proof off of proxy server owners.

What I would like to see is a Anomos Plug-In available for Transmission, Vuze and the Deluge torrent clients. If Anomos is lacking anything, it is widespread use and hence bit torrent popularity. If anything the recent loss of multiple centralized torrent trackers around the world could end-up Alfman in bringing that to pass just as it is now driving the Tribler project.

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