Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 10th Feb 2012 00:09 UTC, submitted by moondevil
Windows As you all know, Windows 8 will be the first release of Windows NT which supports the ARM architecture. Microsoft hasn't been particularly forthcoming about this new Windows variant, but that's changing today. The company has posted a long and in-depth blog post about Windows 8 on ARM.
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D'oh!
by marcp on Fri 10th Feb 2012 09:54 UTC
marcp
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2007-11-23

Well, to be honest, I don't really think this would help to gain popularity of Windows 8 as a whole.
It has very unfamiliar, awkward, counter-intuitive, Fisher-Price-like UI which makes it unusable.
Thus, no matter what HW platform it will run on - that's just not gonna work for most of users.
Of course Microsoft will try to force it down the users throats [it's hard to buy hardware without Windos these days], but I don't think it's gonna work this time.
I mean, this is a HUGE change, not just a small one. They expect people to go from regular desktop to some new, untested environment, and recently we got an info of limiting "classic" interface of Windows 8 by removing START button.
Sure, other operating systems do some major changes as well, but it's never THAT radical [at least they try to retain USABILITY].
Don't know about others, but I'm sure I won't use Windows 8 on any of machines I have unless they treat me seriously, as a grown-up man and provide me with some environment to WORK, not to play games for children.
Fortunately I am not even limited to their products and I'm on a stable "other OS" ground for many years now.

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RE: D'oh!
by siride on Sun 12th Feb 2012 07:13 in reply to "D'oh!"
siride Member since:
2006-01-02

Two things:

(1) New interfaces haven't scared people as much as you'd like to think. People used traditional cell phones for years and then the iPhone comes along and for the most part, people did just fine with it. They've done just fine with the changes in the Windows UI over the years. Yes, there have been complaints here and there, but everyone grumbled and moved forward and now it's ancient history.

(2) ARM-based tablets aren't meant to be the same as powerful general purpose computers. If you want to be doing serious software development or number-crunching or game playing, you aren't going to buy an ARM-based tablet; you'll buy a regular computer. MS doesn't need to provide a full-featured traditional desktop on a tablet. It's really unnecessary. If you don't personally want it, then just consider yourself not the target market. I don't care for iPads, but they are selling like hotcakes, so I must just not be the target market.

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RE[2]: D'oh!
by marcp on Sun 12th Feb 2012 11:13 in reply to "RE: D'oh!"
marcp Member since:
2007-11-23

First of all, let me clarify we're talking about twoj things here, as you've mentioned yourself:
1) productivity machines - desktops/workstations, portable desktops
2) entertainment machines - portable gadgets like tablets, some dumbed-down netbooks

Now, we used to WORK on the first [productivity machines] on a NORMAL operating systems, usually dekstop operating system with regular windows, workspaces and means that enhance our productivity.
For some time we play on the gadgets like iPad [or TABLETS for that matter], sometimes we read books on such devices, usually for entertainment too.
We are not doing any serious work on the entertainment machines.
Now, the problem is that Microsoft is making its next GENERAL PURPOSE operating system available for both productivity and entertainment machines available with THE SAM, ENTERTAINMENT-MACHINE-LIKE UI.
This is not normal and it is certainly not good for people who use their computers mainly for work purposes.
I understand Microsoft would like to have a single software platform to rule them all, but they just don't seem to care about myriads of people who just want to make the work done on time on a normal interface.
They don't have time, money to train their staffs [jobs] this new UI, rewriting productivity software just to make it work on METRO, which is very limited by now.
Forcing this will make huge amount of irritation among MS customers/corporates. And that's the problem.

Just give people a valuable/productive/functioning alernative to Metro UI, that's all.
Otherwise it would be selling sport cars to everyone, regardless their real needs [trucks, vans, etc].

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RE: D'oh!
by zima on Fri 17th Feb 2012 23:15 in reply to "D'oh!"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

It has very unfamiliar, awkward, counter-intuitive, Fisher-Price-like UI which makes it unusable.
Thus, no matter what HW platform it will run on - that's just not gonna work for most of users.
Of course Microsoft will try to force it down the users throats [it's hard to buy hardware without Windos these days], but I don't think it's gonna work this time.
I mean, this is a HUGE change, not just a small one. They expect people to go from regular desktop to some new, untested environment [...] Sure, other operating systems do some major changes as well, but it's never THAT radical

Fairly similar things were said about "fisher price" XP (even it wasn't such a radical change); they could have been easily said about win3.x or win95 (DOS all the way!), about Windows UI in general. And yet here we are...

Thing is, with how many new users the PC (mostly Windows, mostly XP) amassed over the last decade+ - for majority of them XP UI very much was "a HUGE change, not just a small one" - going from no desktop to some new, very unfamiliar (to them), awkward ...counter-intuitive?
Well, the way many people seem to struggle with using PCs, maybe the UI doesn't work very well at all.

Also ("untested"), MS does plenty of usability testing (but you're a serious grownup man, none of that childish nonsense...)

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