Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 24th Oct 2005 15:12 UTC, submitted by LinuxFanBoy
Microsoft "Someone has started rearranging content on the Internet to suit their own purposes and the culprit might be a convicted monopolist. This article examines some compelling evidence and asks Congress to investigate."
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RE: Gahhh
by dylansmrjones on Mon 24th Oct 2005 20:13 UTC in reply to "Gahhh"
dylansmrjones
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2005-10-02

Hmm... I'm defending them too ;)

Even if Microsoft is a company of jerks most the time ;) (Let's see if you catch this one :p .. we haven't fought for hours ;)

I can always install Linux on the Xbox... or ReactOS :p

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RE[2]: Gahhh
by sappyvcv on Mon 24th Oct 2005 20:56 in reply to "RE: Gahhh"
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2005-07-06

I wouldn't say they are a company of jerks. I would say they have too many idiotic executives and managers though.

I do have bad things to say about them though.
- Internet Explorer is outdated and well.. sucks.
- MSN Messenger sucks.
- Windows 9x series sucked.
- Windows XP pre SP1 had some serious networking issues that pissed the living f--k out of me.
- They try to get into way too many markets.
- They aren't very considerate of the state of the economy and the average family/person. I know out in the redmond area, the quality of life is a bit higher, so I think most of their employees views on things tend to be a bit skewed.
- They were way too late to do something to try and fix their problems with security. Vista is going to be the first true attempt to fix things. XP can only be patched so much. I don't think they deliberately ignored the problem though.
- This also correlates with Vista. They were relying on Vista being the fix and on it being out much sooner. Again, they dropped the ball with pushing it back so much, and then finally having to reset it last year. I think they're finally on the right track with it, but before it seemed they had little direction with it.

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RE[3]: Gahhh
by dylansmrjones on Tue 25th Oct 2005 01:00 in reply to "RE[2]: Gahhh"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Well, hang on to your chair sappyvcv...

Don't you think you're a bit too harsh on MS here?

I would say they have too many idiotic executives and managers though.
Well, okay I'll grant you that one. Seems as a reasonable explanation.

- Internet Explorer is outdated and well.. sucks.
Aahh... I wouldn't go that far. It's somewhat outdated in functionality, but it still handles websites in a good manner. It doesn't suck that much. I just miss the tabs (and no, I won't install on top-browsers like Avant... eew)

- MSN Messenger sucks.
I believe I've seen applications worse than MSN Messenger. But it could be a lot better. I'd go as far as less-than-optimal. I actually like the possibility to use my own smileys. And it has some drag'n'drop support. But it also has a lot of crap in it. But it's not completely crap. It can be used.

- Windows 9x series sucked.
Okay, I'll grant you this one. I could say a lot worse about 9x, but sucked is okay. 9x was so bad it's enough explanation for me to understand why some wishes MS gone forever.

- Windows XP pre SP1 had some serious networking issues that pissed the living f--k out of me.
Perhaps I'm wrong but wasn't it mostly the home edition that was affected. XP Home is almost as crappy as ME, in my mind. And anyway it got fixed.

- They try to get into way too many markets.
Granted. MS could do better if they concentrated on fewer markets. I'd like them to work a lot more on refining Windows incrementally (like fixing the scaling bug, better drag and drop support for printing, stuff like that they haven't solved the flaws appeared in win95) rather than doing all kind of stuff in all directions. I think they should quit MSN search, MSN Messenger and stick to Office and Windows. I believe that would give more resources to these two areas.

- They were way too late to do something to try and fix their problems with security. Vista is going to be the first true attempt to fix things. XP can only be patched so much. I don't think they deliberately ignored the problem though.
Well, I can't say for sure about this since I don't know the exact economical level for Joe Average and his family. But the prices for some MS applications and services could/should be lower. XP Home was/is pretty expensive in Denmark compared to most other systems. Only true Server OS'es are more expensive.

- They were way too late to do something to try and fix their problems with security. Vista is going to be the first true attempt to fix things. XP can only be patched so much. I don't think they deliberately ignored the problem though.
Well, I think they could patch XP as much as they want to. The question is how affordable it would be. There is a certain balance here. Whether or not they ignored the problems intentionally is difficult to say. Some might say that "evidence" shows one thing, other will "evidence" shows another thing. Ripping out the Win3xAPI would probably be good, and then run old Win-applications in an emulator (like running DOS-applications in DOS-Box). Few people still have 16bit Windows applications flying around. This way MS could make it a lot easier to enhance security.

- This also correlates with Vista. They were relying on Vista being the fix and on it being out much sooner. Again, they dropped the ball with pushing it back so much, and then finally having to reset it last year. I think they're finally on the right track with it, but before it seemed they had little direction with it.
From the reviews I've seen Vista seems like something I'd give an arm to avoid ;) - I still consider an incremental improvement of Win2K3 to be the best approach. But yes, Vista seems to be on a healthier track by now. I still have many misgivings about it, but that's probably because I'm quite conservative about changes (unless it's something I'm really screaming for).

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