Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 15th Feb 2012 23:36 UTC
Google Forget patent trolling - Android's biggest weakness, and most daunting obstacle to overcome, is its complete and utter lack of updates. Motorola has detailed its upgrade plans for Ice Cream Sandwich - and it ain't good. If the company Google just bought can't even update its phones properly, what can we expect from the rest?
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Android Phones are more like PCs
by kragil on Wed 15th Feb 2012 23:55 UTC
kragil
Member since:
2006-01-04

When you buy a PC with Windows 7 do you expect to get a free/automatic upgrade to Windows 8? Geeks don't like it, but the average Android user doesn't give a fuck.

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umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

When you buy a PC with Windows 7 do you expect to get a free/automatic upgrade to Windows 8? Geeks don't like it, but the average Android user doesn't give a fuck.


That's somewhat different - at least you can go out and *buy* Windows 8 yourself in most cases... One might argue that the version of Android you run doesn't matter, but if you're still stuck on Gingerbread, then there are an increasing number of apps that you can't run now.

Here, however, users are stuck waiting for the vendor to provide the update, rather than going out and buying it themselves... except for those who run a 3rd party ROM such as CyanogenMod or something.

FWIW, several of us even have ICS running on our HP Touchpads, albeit buggy.

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kragil Member since:
2006-01-04

From the 700000 (or whatever many fart apps there are) apps you can't run what? Chrome and a handful of other apps?
Like I said no normal person gives a shit, because they are very unlikely to ever hear about those. Geeky people will go crazy and write bad stuff on the intertubes, but they are not the majority .. sadly ;-)

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tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

When you buy a PC with Windows 7 do you expect to get a free/automatic upgrade to Windows 8?



I don't expect the upgrade to be free, as much as I expect the upgrade to be possible. Which is one of the many reasons why your analogy is false.


Next.

Edited 2012-02-16 01:00 UTC

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shmerl Member since:
2010-06-08

Nope. You can wipe Windows 7 from there, install some rolling distro and upgrade to your satisfaction until the machine will become too old. Normal hardware should provide you with the option to upgrade your OS. Locked down systems don't let you do it because of the lack of closed drivers and etc.

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phoehne Member since:
2006-08-26

When you buy a PC with Windows 7 do you expect to get a free/automatic upgrade to Windows 8? Geeks don't like it, but the average Android user doesn't give a fuck.

People with a technical bent are more likely to complain about the problem, but the word does leak out of geekland and out to normal people. They then get the feeling that they've bought and abandoned device. I've had non-technical people ask me for a recommendation and then turn around and ask me to explain what that "upgrade thing with Android" is.

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Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

When you buy a PC with Windows 7 do you expect to get a free/automatic upgrade to Windows 8? Geeks don't like it, but the average Android user doesn't give a fuck.

That argument was weak the first time it was made and it sounds more stupid every time it is repeated.
Windows 7 gets updates. Almost all apps on Windows 7 get upgrades. You are not stuck on app versions when win7 was released.
You are stuck with 2.3 Android. It is okay for a budget phone but if you get a high end 600 euro($780) phone you should get at least 2 years of updates/upgrades.

Google should release something like the windows or intel sticker. If Samsung/HTC want it on their phone they have to update within 3 months of the Android release and provide it for at least 2 years. They can make a special version of phones that are more expensive.

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kragil Member since:
2006-01-04

What are you talking about?
Almost all Android apps get updates/upgrades via market too. It is just the base OS that doesn't get upgraded to new major versions most of the time. Just like Windows.

Edited 2012-02-16 12:04 UTC

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

I think the issue is that Motorola-ICS will not get ICS updates promptly if at all.

The comparison of Windows is not all together accurate either. Windows7 won't be unsupported the moment Win8 launches. Windows is also a retail OS which both end users and OEMs must pay noticable license costs for.

Alternatively, if the vendor is going to impose a specific OS version, lock out original developer updates and not support there molested version I sure do expect them to provide a firmware update for the OS version that is still supported and runs fine on the still perfectly good hardware. It's the absolute minimum the vendor could do for it's paying customers. Not to mention the security implecations in neglecting devices because they have the less hip OS version.

And vendors who don't ship updates promptly for the current OS version; that's insane and inexcusable.

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jgagnon Member since:
2008-06-24

It wouldn't matter if Google stopped having major point upgrades and just upgraded individual features of the OS and apps.

The primary problem is that the phone makers do not make money from pushing new OS upgrades to existing phone users. They make money by selling new phones. So, a new phone with the new OS upgrade makes them money while putting the new OS upgrade on an already purchased phone does not.

A secondary problem is that the carriers do not want phones on their systems that enable features people have not explicitly paid for. A new OS upgrade can give you new features out of their control or access to features you haven't paid for and they don't want that.

Google cannot fix this unless they get into the phone making business and get good at it. And good look to them, since the carriers would likely fight it where possible to maintain control. The worst fear of the carriers is to become just another dumb pipe to the Internet.

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mullerm Member since:
2010-08-18

When you buy a PC with Windows 7 do you expect to get a free/automatic upgrade to Windows 8? Geeks don't like it, but the average Android user doesn't give a fuck.


Well, I bought Windows XP and still get updates, I bought a Nokia E52 and still get updates...

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zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Those hardly got updates of such kind, they got security and overall bug fixes...

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