Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 16th Feb 2012 14:46 UTC
Mac OS X Well, this is a surprise. Several websites have a preview up of Apple's next Mac OS X release - it's called Mountain Lion, and continues the trend of bringing over functionality from iOS to Mac OS X. Lots of cool stuff in here we've all seen before on iPhones and iPads, including one very, very controversial feature: Gatekeeper. Starting with Mac OS X 10.8, Apple's desktop operating system will be restricted to Mac App Store and Apple-signed applications by default (with an opt-out switch), following in Windows 8's footsteps.
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Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Thu 16th Feb 2012 15:30 UTC
kaiwai
Member since:
2005-07-06

Thom darling, I know that conspiracy theories are cool and what not but lets read the press release:

Gatekeeper is a revolutionary new security feature that gives you control over which apps can be downloaded and installed on your Mac. You can choose to install apps from any source, just as you do on a Mac today, or you can use the safer default setting to install apps from the Mac App Store, along with apps from developers that have a unique Developer ID from Apple.


In other words if you're already an developer with an AppleID then you've got nothing to worry about. What it is all about is when an end user downloads an application they know the application they've downloaded is actually what it says it is rather than what we've seen recently with people downloading what they thought was the Flash plugin but quickly found out it was anything but what they expected.

The signing of applications is no different than Windows 7 64bit mandating that drivers created for Windows 7 64bit are digitally signed even though we had the same conspiracy theorists conflate the WHQL certification with digital signing of drivers.

As for Microsoft - come on, making Metro applications installable only via Marketplace, is that really something to wail in pain as though you're trying to pass a kidney stone? Lets all calm down, pull a cone, put on some Bob Marley and chill out for a second.

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RE: Comment by kaiwai
by kragil on Thu 16th Feb 2012 15:36 in reply to "Comment by kaiwai"
kragil Member since:
2006-01-04

Is an AppleID for developers free? What about all the (cross-compiled) FOSS apps?

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RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai
by ctwise on Thu 16th Feb 2012 15:39 in reply to "RE: Comment by kaiwai"
ctwise Member since:
2007-02-28

No. An Apple developer ID is $99.

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RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Thu 16th Feb 2012 15:40 in reply to "RE: Comment by kaiwai"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Is an AppleID for developers free? What about all the (cross-compiled) FOSS apps?


Yes, your iTunes AppleID is the same AppleID you use for development; the developer tools are free to download and from what I have seen Xcode 4.4 DP has been released as well which will most likely be a free download just like previous Xcode releases. It will be simply a matter of signing your final product that'll include the AppleID and voila when your application is distributed it can be traced back to you if you're doing something bad.

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RE: Comment by kaiwai
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Thu 16th Feb 2012 17:04 in reply to "Comment by kaiwai"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

1) Thom is complaining about the end user's rights, not developers per se.

2) What flash download are you referring to?

3) Making Metro applications installable only via Marketplace is something to complain and wail about. I want to be able to write apps and install aps without going through a gate keeper. Bob Marley is a good suggestion, though. Maybe something like "Get up, Stand up". There is a time to chill, and a time to protest as Bob well knew. Now is a time to protest.

"Come on Get Up, Stand Up, stand up for your right Get Up, Stand Up, don't give up the fight "

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RE: Comment by kaiwai
by amadensor on Thu 16th Feb 2012 18:56 in reply to "Comment by kaiwai"
amadensor Member since:
2006-04-10

The reason to wail about app store only for Metro is this:

1) ARM is metro only.
2) ARM requires locked boot loader to run Win 8.
3) ARM power usage to performance is really good.
4) ARM based long battery life laptops will come out eventually.
5) I want to run what I want on them, since I bought them!


The Android way of a little check box to say, yes, I know this could be bad is a good idea. Locking it down is not.

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RE: Comment by kaiwai
by ashes_786 on Fri 17th Feb 2012 01:14 in reply to "Comment by kaiwai"
ashes_786 Member since:
2011-10-22

How long before you need an Apple Developers ID to install Apps outside the App Store and I'm sure when that happens there will be a nice PR piece about it and Engadget and Cnet will tell us that ordinary people don't need to install non-App Store apps its only professionals that require that 'privilege'. TBH I don't care what they do by default just make it simple for me to setup my computer the way I want to use it without having to resort to the CLI and editing configuration files.

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