Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 16th Feb 2012 14:46 UTC
Mac OS X Well, this is a surprise. Several websites have a preview up of Apple's next Mac OS X release - it's called Mountain Lion, and continues the trend of bringing over functionality from iOS to Mac OS X. Lots of cool stuff in here we've all seen before on iPhones and iPads, including one very, very controversial feature: Gatekeeper. Starting with Mac OS X 10.8, Apple's desktop operating system will be restricted to Mac App Store and Apple-signed applications by default (with an opt-out switch), following in Windows 8's footsteps.
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RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Thu 16th Feb 2012 15:40 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by kaiwai"
kaiwai
Member since:
2005-07-06

Is an AppleID for developers free? What about all the (cross-compiled) FOSS apps?


Yes, your iTunes AppleID is the same AppleID you use for development; the developer tools are free to download and from what I have seen Xcode 4.4 DP has been released as well which will most likely be a free download just like previous Xcode releases. It will be simply a matter of signing your final product that'll include the AppleID and voila when your application is distributed it can be traced back to you if you're doing something bad.

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RE[3]: Comment by kaiwai
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 16th Feb 2012 15:43 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

This isn't about how it is today. It's about the path we've headed into.

People called me crazy when I said Apple would eventually include a switch like this. Now people are calling me crazy again? We all know where this is heading: full curation, similar to iOS. If you STILL want to insist there's no sign of this happening... Well, then I'm afraid you're a lost cause.

Like I said - as long as their freedom is taken away in small bits and pieces, people don't give a shit.

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RE[4]: Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Thu 16th Feb 2012 15:54 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by kaiwai"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

This isn't about how it is today. It's about the path we've headed into.

People called me crazy when I said Apple would eventually include a switch like this. Now people are calling me crazy again? We all know where this is heading: full curation, similar to iOS. If you STILL want to insist there's no sign of this happening... Well, then I'm afraid you're a lost cause.

Like I said - as long as their freedom is taken away in small bits and pieces, people don't give a shit.


I would love to know who these 'people are' given that most people I spoke to agree that Apple would enable some sort of way to restrict what can and can't be installed via the use of application bundle signatures but enable people to over ride it. Here we are in 2012 and guess what - the sky hasn't fallen, you can install what ever applications you want and everything is as cool as cucumbers.

You talk about 'taking away freedom bit by bit' - what have they taken away RIGHT NOW! not what could happen in 5 years but RIGHT NOW! not what you believe could happen but is happening RIGHT NOW! I mean, come on, what next, the analogy of the frog in a pot of water being boiled alive? comparisons between Mac OS X, Gatekeeper and goose stepping? I mean come on, the hysteria has all the stupidity associated with the debate in the US over 'Obama Care' and the claim there would be 'death panels' that would push Aunt Pearl off the cliff if her arthritis medication becomes too much! I would have thought you were better than this Thom - I really did.

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RE[4]: Comment by kaiwai
by macUser on Thu 16th Feb 2012 18:05 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by kaiwai"
macUser Member since:
2006-12-15

This isn't about how it is today. It's about the path we've headed into.

People called me crazy when I said Apple would eventually include a switch like this. Now people are calling me crazy again? We all know where this is heading: full curation, similar to iOS. If you STILL want to insist there's no sign of this happening... Well, then I'm afraid you're a lost cause.

Like I said - as long as their freedom is taken away in small bits and pieces, people don't give a shit.


I'm not particularly fond of the direction Apple has taken with its OS, but most people I know are still terrified of their computers. This is exactly what they want, and while I agree with you that companies like Apple, and Microsoft (and even Google) are seizing too much control, it is something the masses will willingly give up so they don't have to deal with their machines. Most people just aren't interested in the innards of their computers to care. Just like they all drive, but can't explain the difference between a 4 stroke and a 2 stroke engine, or the difference between composite or component video cables, etc.. etc... etc...
Fortunately for those of you who base their bravado on their technical knowledge, there will always be a *nix out there you can do whatever you want with.

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RE[4]: Comment by kaiwai
by lucas_maximus on Thu 16th Feb 2012 19:08 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by kaiwai"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

And how are they going to do full curation of something like Adobe CS5?

It is larger than some operating systems and block buster games.

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RE[3]: Comment by kaiwai
by bouhko on Thu 16th Feb 2012 16:14 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai"
bouhko Member since:
2010-06-24

And when I publish a "FuckApple" application, Apple will just delete my AppleID and user will see a big warning saying "This app is not safe".

I mean, why do I even need an ID to publish an application for anything ? It has been shown that it's easy to embed malware through Appstores (Android, Apple, whatever), so there is little gain in term of security. So why an ID ?

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RE[4]: Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Thu 16th Feb 2012 16:26 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by kaiwai"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

And when I publish a "FuckApple" application, Apple will just delete my AppleID and user will see a big warning saying "This app is not safe".

I mean, why do I even need an ID to publish an application for anything ? It has been shown that it's easy to embed malware through Appstores (Android, Apple, whatever), so there is little gain in term of security. So why an ID ?


You don't need to have an AppleID - you can continue installing that haven't been digitally signed. The digital signing of your application with an AppleID has nothing to do with Apple approving or disapproving your application - it is merely signing the application to say that you the developer associated with the AppleID created the application.

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RE[4]: Comment by kaiwai
by Neolander on Thu 16th Feb 2012 20:11 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by kaiwai"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

You said it yourself : so that Apple is able to ban your FuckApple application ;)

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