Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 16th Feb 2012 14:46 UTC
Mac OS X Well, this is a surprise. Several websites have a preview up of Apple's next Mac OS X release - it's called Mountain Lion, and continues the trend of bringing over functionality from iOS to Mac OS X. Lots of cool stuff in here we've all seen before on iPhones and iPads, including one very, very controversial feature: Gatekeeper. Starting with Mac OS X 10.8, Apple's desktop operating system will be restricted to Mac App Store and Apple-signed applications by default (with an opt-out switch), following in Windows 8's footsteps.
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RE[6]: Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Thu 16th Feb 2012 16:20 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by kaiwai"
kaiwai
Member since:
2005-07-06

They've taken away the ability for people to stray beyond what Apple approves. Do you really think regular users are going to mess with a scary security setting?

And how do you think regular users become knowledgeable users? Exactly - they become so by venturing beyond the regular capabilities of the software they're using. By trying to stray form the carved path and explore - and large groups of people will now never get to do this exploring because it's locked up behind scary security switches and the like.

I would have never grown up to become a computer geek had I not had the ability to fcuk shit up. We're raising the digital equivalent of padded playground floor kids - you know those new playgrounds with bouncy floors so poor Timmy can't get an auwie when he tumbles off the jungle gym?

We're raising a generation of spoiled digital pussies. Fcuk ups are the best teaching moments.


Just to copy and paste what I said prior: If you're going to see the bar to conspiracies that low then why didn't he say the very same thing when Microsoft introduced signed drivers with Windows 7 64bit? How about the 'only allowed signed applications to run' which was provided with Windows 7 and Windows 2008 R2?

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd723683(v=ws.10).aspx

I don't know about you but it seems pretty damn selective hysteria if you ask me - how about some consistency.

As for 'spoiled digital pussies' - get used to it. The world is designed for the lowest common denominator - the Nascar watching, Budweiser chugging, McDonalds chomping, SUV driving, credit card debt accumulating, mouth breathing, reality tv watching, Jersey Shore emulating knuckle draggers who believe that the friendly Nigerian who sent them an email is really going to share some of his wealth with them if only they hand over the bank details.

That is whom Apple and Microsoft (along with others) target so it is time to accept that you, I and most people here are in the minority and move on with life. The frustration you're exhibiting I went through 15 years ago when I was a Linux fan boy dead certain if people just pulled their head out of their ass and spent some time learning how to use their computer they would see the benefits of Linux. The sad reality is that as I've aged I realise that society will never change and to hold out the maybe some sort of collective consciousness occurs is simply putting far too much hope in humanity getting its collective shit together.

Edited 2012-02-16 16:22 UTC

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RE[7]: Comment by kaiwai
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 16th Feb 2012 16:24 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by kaiwai"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

I don't know about you but it seems pretty damn selective hysteria if you ask me - how about some consistency.


It isn't. First of all, there's a world of difference between a hidden opt-in and opt-out. Second, as far as drivers are concerned - this is a much older thing (like, uh, 8 years or something?) and I have no trouble admitting that I didn't see it as a threat back then. Mind you, this was pre-iOS. Pre-WP7. Pre-iPad. Pre-Android. Pre-Windows 8.

So, 8 years ago I didn't see something as a threat, but now I do. You got me there.

As for 'spoiled digital pussies' - get used to it.


And with that one single 'get used to it', you proved my entire point. Thank you.

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RE[8]: Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Thu 16th Feb 2012 16:32 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by kaiwai"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

It isn't. First of all, there's a world of difference between a hidden opt-in and opt-out. Second, as far as drivers are concerned - this is a much older thing (like, uh, 8 years or something?) and I have no trouble admitting that I didn't see it as a threat back then. Mind you, this was pre-iOS. Pre-WP7. Pre-iPad. Pre-Android. Pre-Windows 8.

So, 8 years ago I didn't see something as a threat, but now I do. You got me there.


Or you were more mature back then playing a 'lets wait and see what happens'.

And with that one single 'get used to it', you proved my entire point. Thank you.


Yet you ignored everything I said after it. This is the world - either accept it for what it is, warts and all or go insane believing that you have a dogs show in hell of changing things.

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RE[7]: Comment by kaiwai
by boxy on Thu 16th Feb 2012 17:01 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by kaiwai"
boxy Member since:
2011-06-20

As for 'spoiled digital pussies' - get used to it.


No thanks. This is exactly the problem that the Raspberry Pi project wants to address. There is a severe lack of digital education (and educators), at least in the US. You don't solve this problem by ignoring it. You solve it by addressing it. The only question is whether or not it's a problem worth addressing. In my opinion, it is. I think getting a proper computing education as just as important as getting a proper reading, writing, and/or math education.

The world is designed for the lowest common denominator - the Nascar watching, Budweiser chugging, McDonalds chomping, SUV driving, credit card debt accumulating, mouth breathing, reality tv watching, Jersey Shore emulating knuckle draggers who believe that the friendly Nigerian who sent them an email is really going to share some of his wealth with them if only they hand over the bank details.


No argument there at all.

That is whom Apple and Microsoft (along with others) target


Understood - they design for the user base with the largest market share.

so it is time to accept that you, I and most people here are in the minority and move on with life.


I definitely accepted this long ago.

The frustration you're exhibiting I went through 15 years ago when I was a Linux fan boy dead certain if people just pulled their head out of their ass and spent some time learning how to use their computer they would see the benefits of Linux.


Indeed. The key here is that you can't teach someone that is unwilling to learn, and trying to force people to learn something usually has the opposite of the intended effect.

The sad reality is that as I've aged I realise that society will never change and to hold out the maybe some sort of collective consciousness occurs is simply putting far too much hope in humanity getting its collective shit together.


I occasionally find myself thinking along those lines as well, but it's almost always after I've had a frustrating time dealing with someone that, despite my best efforts, just didn't get what I was trying to show them. It sucks. And I certainly can relate.

However, society definitely will never change as long as this is the attitude of its population. I think the best way to change this attitude is by educating the population, which was the point I was trying to make in the last sentence of my first paragraph.

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RE[7]: Comment by kaiwai
by earksiinni on Thu 16th Feb 2012 20:04 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by kaiwai"
earksiinni Member since:
2009-03-27

As for 'spoiled digital pussies' - get used to it. The world is designed for the lowest common denominator - the Nascar watching, Budweiser chugging, McDonalds chomping, SUV driving, credit card debt accumulating, mouth breathing, reality tv watching, Jersey Shore emulating knuckle draggers who believe that the friendly Nigerian who sent them an email is really going to share some of his wealth with them if only they hand over the bank details.


I finally understand why you post the things that you do, not just in this thread but in general.

The world has gradations, kaiwai. The evildoers are human as are the angels. There is a little bit of Voltaire present in NASCAR, a little bit of Christopher Hitchens in the Bible, a bit of kiwi in George W. Bush and a little bit of Dennis Ritchie in every iPad user. Try to understand this and see that this blog is trying to change some of the patterns you detest--and it may even have the power to. No need to be so cynical all the time, it grates on peoples' nerves here.

Thom's point is as clear as day. Talking about the future is not a "conspiracy theory". It's called "talking about the future". I don't think that you honestly believe that this doesn't an incremental step in the major consumer OS vendors' increasing control of desktop PC's.

That said, I personally don't think Thom and commenters here give enough credit to the "average user". As the Arab spring has reminded us most recently, totalitarianism is both real and a myth: real in its brutal effects, myth in its claim to totality. People will keep resisting, and they'll even become aware of their resistance and that there is something that should be resisted. *Ahem* The eventual American intervention in Nazi Europe is not the only kind of salvation that exists; people will always rise up.

For the record: I have always said that if FOSS got some spine and earnestly tried to sell the public on the importance of libertas in software they would do phenomenally well. Programmers love love love to hate themselves and act condescendingly toward the rest of the world, saying that the "average user" will never understand. This has never been anything more than about job security (in a broad sense): as long as you say people won't get it, then there's no chance that they will, and so your mastery and puffed up sense of self-worth will continue unharmed.

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