Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 16th Feb 2012 14:46 UTC
Mac OS X Well, this is a surprise. Several websites have a preview up of Apple's next Mac OS X release - it's called Mountain Lion, and continues the trend of bringing over functionality from iOS to Mac OS X. Lots of cool stuff in here we've all seen before on iPhones and iPads, including one very, very controversial feature: Gatekeeper. Starting with Mac OS X 10.8, Apple's desktop operating system will be restricted to Mac App Store and Apple-signed applications by default (with an opt-out switch), following in Windows 8's footsteps.
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RE[6]: Comment by kaiwai
by WorknMan on Thu 16th Feb 2012 22:53 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by kaiwai"
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They've taken away the ability for people to stray beyond what Apple approves. Do you really think regular users are going to mess with a scary security setting?


They won't, and that's the whole point. Look, we all know the real reason why Apple is doing this, just like when they said that Flash wasn't going to be on the iPhone. However, in the case of Flash, what ended up being good for Apple was also good for end users, since Flash is going away. This ultimately benefits end users, because the lack of Flash support on a device won't be a hindrance, and because Flash itself is a security nightmare, with more holes than Swiss cheese.

And I also think that limiting apps to the Mac app store will ultimately benefit your average Joe, especially where security is involved.

And how do you think regular users become knowledgeable users? Exactly - they become so by venturing beyond the regular capabilities of the software they're using.


See, that's the beauty of this setup - regular users don't NEED to become knowledgeable users; if they can use their computers to do what they need to get done without any voodoo involved, so much the better.

I would have never grown up to become a computer geek had I not had the ability to fcuk shit up. We're raising the digital equivalent of padded playground floor kids - you know those new playgrounds with bouncy floors so poor Timmy can't get an auwie when he tumbles off the jungle gym?


In the old days, when people fcuked up their computers, they figured out how to fix it. These days, when my friends and family fcuk up their computers, they call me and *I* have to deal with it. So anything that reduces my tech support calls is a win, as far as I'm concerned. I have little doubt that Apple is going to make it harder to turn this switch off, and to that I say GOOD. The harder it is for the computer-illiterate people that I have to provide tech support for to hurt themselves, the happier I am.

But hey, I understand the concern... what if Apple/MS make it impossible to turn this switch off?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope_argument

It's the same kind of bullshit logic that says we shouldn't allow gay marriage to happen because it will lead to people molesting small children and marrying their horses.

Look, I think this is a good idea overall, and I hate when good ideas are shot down because people are afraid that some other thing will eventually happen as a result. Well, if it does happen and they make it mandatory, we'll deal with it at that time. As it stands, I think this kind of thing will result in people actually being able to USE their computer productively without having to know how it works. For whatever reason, the very thought of this seems to offend most geeks, like we're making things too easy. 'Hey, we had to walk butt-naked in the snow when it was 40 degrees below zero just to make our computers work, so why shouldn't everybody else?'

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RE[7]: Comment by kaiwai
by _txf_ on Thu 16th Feb 2012 23:22 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by kaiwai"
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So anything that reduces my tech support calls is a win, as far as I'm concerned. I have little doubt that Apple is going to make it harder to turn this switch off, and to that I say GOOD. The harder it is for the computer-illiterate people that I have to provide tech support for to hurt themselves, the happier I am.


So... How do you become computer literate? Does the knowledge suddenly appear in your brain?

It's the same kind of bullshit logic that says we shouldn't allow gay marriage to happen because it will lead to people molesting small children and marrying their horses.


Um...No (I can't believe you're equating the two things). There is no evidence of that. There is evidence of lockdown (see Metro, iOS).

As it stands, I think this kind of thing will result in people actually being able to USE their computer productively without having to know how it works. For whatever reason, the very thought of this seems to offend most geeks, like we're making things too easy.


Here is a hopelessly convoluted analogy:

If you have a room with a door quite a few people are going to want to explore the other side of those doors; Some will like it, others won't, and many will be scared to even open the door. Now If you put a wall in the way, how many will go see the other side? How many will even know?

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RE[8]: Comment by kaiwai
by WorknMan on Fri 17th Feb 2012 01:41 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by kaiwai"
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2005-11-13

If you have a room with a door quite a few people are going to want to explore the other side of those doors; Some will like it, others won't, and many will be scared to even open the door. Now If you put a wall in the way, how many will go see the other side? How many will even know?


To make the analogy fair, it's not really a wall. (If they put a restriction that made it not possible to install apps other than the app store, THAT would be a wall.) In reality, it's more like a door with a dead bolt on it. But hey, let's roll with this ...

If we want to make this as accurate as possible, we would have to say that there is danger on the other side of the door (viruses, malware, etc), so we'll say there is a trap door on the other side, with a 10 foot drop, and no warning sign. So anybody who walks through the door is probably going to get hurt, unless they're very careful. Hence, the reason why there is the dead bolt.

Now, anybody who wants to see what's on the other side can go and ask for the key, and in the asking, will probably be warned about the trap door, and so are likely to be very cautious when walking through, which is GOOD. However, most people won't bother to ask, and that's ok. If everybody doesn't see what's on the other side, it's not the end of the world. Hell, most people probably wouldn't care about what's on the other side anyway.

Getting back to the real world, my point is that I think it's optimal to make people jump through a few hoops to fully unlock their devices. It keeps the non-curious people out of trouble, and it helps to warn the curious about what they might run into 'in the wild'.

But how are people supposed to get curious if their PCs are locked down? Wouldn't that put an end to people who are very knowledgeable about computers? Well, since cars these days are more like 'black boxes' that people don't know much about, does that mean there are no more mechanics or car enthusiasts? Of course not! Either you are naturally curious about computers/cars or you just want the f**king things to work. But those who are naturally curious about these things will always be inclined to tinker, and I think there will always be platforms for them to indulge. Not everybody in this world either needs or wants to be a goddamn computer genius.

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RE[7]: Comment by kaiwai
by Nth_Man on Fri 17th Feb 2012 10:31 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by kaiwai"
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2010-05-16

and marrying their horses.

I don't know if to laugh or cry:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21768663/ns/world_news-weird_news/t/man...

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