Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 19th Feb 2012 12:02 UTC
Internet & Networking "The federal government has been paying lip service to the idea that it wants to encourage new businesses and startups in the US. And this is truly important to the economy, as studies have shown that almost all of the net job growth in this country is coming from internet startups. Thankfully some politicians recognize this, but the federal government seems to be going in the other direction. With the JotForm situation unfolding, where the US government shut down an entire website with no notice or explanation, people are beginning to recognize that the US is not safe for internet startups." Not an issue today per se, but if the US government keeps this up, they do run a risk of lobotomising their technology sector.
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RE: Alternative
by spiderman on Mon 20th Feb 2012 07:40 UTC in reply to "Alternative"
spiderman
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2008-10-23

But Berlin is in Germany, where they speak German. This is not an alternative for California.
I mean, there are a lot of startups everywhere. In my country (France), most of the Web is in French and comes from french startups and established players. There are some successful services that come from foreign countries, like Google and Wikipedia because they are translated in french and the french people are very close culturally from New Zelanders and USAers. In China or Korea, I doubt they use even Google. They have their own startups and businesses that cover their needs.
So no, Berlin is not an alternative to California. It is an impression you get from living in Germany. In the English speaking world, the startups are all in California.

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RE[2]: Alternative
by JAlexoid on Mon 20th Feb 2012 10:29 in reply to "RE: Alternative"
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2009-05-19

SoundCloud?

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RE[2]: Alternative
by orfanum on Mon 20th Feb 2012 12:40 in reply to "RE: Alternative"
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2006-06-02

Hmm, have you seen the rate at which German Higher Education is providing English-only courses? Do you realise what this means in terms of skimming off talent from the UK, for example, where the costs of getting a degree are about to skyrocket, not to mention internationally? And German, schmerman: if not entirely bilingual, Germany has a pretty high percentage of proficient English speakers, unlike some other parts of 'old' Europe. Germany also has a relatively booming economy and cannot fill the amount of vacancies it has, which means a further draw for the young and ambitious student/early-careerist

Compare that with France...sorry, this is not bias, it's facts.

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RE[3]: Alternative
by spiderman on Mon 20th Feb 2012 17:51 in reply to "RE[2]: Alternative"
spiderman Member since:
2008-10-23

It's not just the language. It's also the culture.
Take for instance Paypal. This startup was successful in the US because there was a need for online payments there. Where I live (France), we use CB (carte bleue) for payment. We use Paypal only when paying on American sites. Paypal would not be successful if it was not American because it fills a need in the US that does not exist in Germany. Same for Amazon. In France we already have have book shops for French books (alapage.com, fnac.com, etc). Amazon is successful because it fills a need in the US. China uses Baidu instead of Google because it fills their need better. However, nobody use fnac.com, CB or Baidu in the US. That is why Baidu will never replace Google, fnac.com will never replace Amazon and CB will never ever replace Paypal.

Edited 2012-02-20 17:58 UTC

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RE[2]: Alternative
by dmrio on Mon 20th Feb 2012 15:16 in reply to "RE: Alternative"
dmrio Member since:
2005-08-26

You have a misconception of what is really happening in Berlin. I am brazilian, I do not live in Germany, I do not speak german, and yet I can use english to get in touch. The "official startup language" is english, and it should be that way anywhere for a long time if they wish to succeed internationally.
Also, I did not said that Berlin is a current alternative: it's a possible future alternative. They are doing a good job, they attract talented people from near countries (including France) and they cost less than London, for example. Just keep an eye, please. At least it will not be a surprise for you when it's stablished.

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RE[3]: Alternative
by spiderman on Mon 20th Feb 2012 18:07 in reply to "RE[2]: Alternative"
spiderman Member since:
2008-10-23

Well I doubt it will ever replace California for the reasons I mentioned above. The Germans do not have the same needs as the USAers. Some startup will be successful in the US, I don't doubt it but most things that work in the US will come from the US, just as most things that work in China come from China. As a side note, the Chinese market will look a more attractive than the US one in the future. That is where the big money will be made.

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RE[2]: Alternative
by Soulbender on Wed 22nd Feb 2012 09:22 in reply to "RE: Alternative"
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2005-08-18

In the English speaking world, the startups are all in California.


Except the ones that aren't like Spotify, Skype, Gitorious etc etc.

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