Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 20th Feb 2012 11:22 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems No matter where you look these days, there's a profound sense here in the west that the people no longer having any tangible control over what our governments do. Sure, we are allowed to vote every once in a while, but effectively, most of our countries are governed by backroom deals and corporate interests. If matters really do get out of hand, how do we fight this? Well, with technology of course!
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RE[2]: Review history
by hackus on Tue 21st Feb 2012 02:18 UTC in reply to "RE: Review history"
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Non violent change.

I totally agree.

I am sure that the people that run everything, and pick the people who you vote for, who by the way will be meeting at the G8 in Chicago this year, will just hear your plea:

"We need change. This isn't working for us. Could you pretty please dismantle the power control structure that allows you to pick our candidates we vote for and just step aside? Pretty please? We can't afford all your ill gotten wealth and power so please just give it up."

Yeah. Non violent change. Given what human nature is, these people are going to beat the crap out everyone in Chicago when they arrive this May if you think like that.

They will beat you to death, they will KILL YOU.

Make sure you all put bullseyes on your signs so that they can get a good shot at you so they don't hit any of the buildings they own or damage the property they have down town Chicago.

Just stand there with the sign, and die peacefully please.

Please don't dodge the rubber bullets either. And please insure the private army they use as security forces have a good clean swing to crack your skull open....

all nice and peaceful like.


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RE[3]: Review history
by Gullible Jones on Tue 21st Feb 2012 02:54 in reply to "RE[2]: Review history"
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And your alternative is what? Kill a bunch of people who, for the most part, were simply too ignorant to pick the right side? And in all likelihood get shot for it? Fuck off, please.

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RE[3]: Review history
by blitze on Tue 21st Feb 2012 07:17 in reply to "RE[2]: Review history"
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Well it worked for Gandhi against the most repressive Empire of the time. Just requires critical mass and there is nothing the powers that be can do against it. You fight fire with fire and you get burnt as they say. Only good change can come from using peaceful and enlightened methods.

If you use their methods, you strengthen their hand and justify them.

It isn't easy but you have to use methods of change that you want to move the system towards or you can't hope to change the system.

Look at the blow back of the French, Russian and Chinese revolutions, they achieved little but lots of killing. Maybe there is something to be said of "He who lives by the sword dies by the sword". There is a lot of wisdom through the ages that we need to pay attention to.

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RE[4]: Review history
by lucas_maximus on Tue 21st Feb 2012 17:52 in reply to "RE[3]: Review history"
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Going to have to Godwin this ... Similar tactics don't work against people like Stalin or Hitler.

It certainly wouldn't have happened in Europe where the Catholic Church used to celebrate Hitler's Birthday (and continued to until the 1960s), Nazism was preferable to the Catholic Church than any Jewish presence in Europe.

I don't think people know how lucky we have it in the Western world.

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RE[4]: Review history
by zima on Mon 27th Feb 2012 23:54 in reply to "RE[3]: Review history"
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Look at the blow back of the French, Russian and Chinese revolutions, they achieved little but lots of killing.

Certainly not so simple for the French - its upheaval ultimately also led to radical long-term social and political changes which you probably now take for granted, as the outline for societies or nations. Or emergence of middle class, and its voice.

The Russian is... weird. We are talking here, before it, about a quite backwards place in a semi-colonial dependency. And, afterwards, it brought some of the greatest ironies of history (NVM turning the place into a major power, that's nothing): life expectancy in the area of Soviet Union increased dramatically under Stalin, despite the victims. Also: yes, heavy censorship ...and also the first literate generation.
(and anyway, it unraveled the way it did as hoped by the 'traditionalist' Prussian kinda-backers of Bolsheviks, preferring them over the earlier Provisional Government of 1917; and because it was all in turn a blow-back of tsar & Okhrana ...yup, vicious cycles)

The effects of Chinese one are still unraveling...

But yeah, evolutions tend to promote not the "best" people, but the most ruthless ones.

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