Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 23rd Feb 2012 17:53 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless "Jobs called Android a 'stolen product', but theft can be a tricky concept when talking about innovation. The iPhone didn't emerge fully formed from Jobs's head. Rather, it represented the culmination of incremental innovation over decades - much of which occurred outside of Cupertino." Nothing particularly new in there for regular OSNews readers, but still handy to have it in one place.
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RE: I'mma just come out and say it
by Yagami on Fri 24th Feb 2012 02:39 UTC in reply to "I'mma just come out and say it"
Yagami
Member since:
2006-07-15

Polish is Polish ! And Inovation is Inovation !

Apple just cannot rewrite the dictionary just to sell more !

So... if i copy Iphone, but make it a little bit more polished ... i just inovated a little ;)

EDIT :

But i do understand you, i know that Apple fanboys think that way ( and some non fanboys also ).

BUT ITS WRONG !

Its like saying : there were no linux before Ubuntu !

Your friends ;)

Edited 2012-02-24 02:40 UTC

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earksiinni Member since:
2009-03-27

So... if i copy Iphone, but make it a little bit more polished ... i just inovated a little ;)


Yes, precisely. That's exactly what I'm saying. Geeks don't seem to understand this.

You mentioned something about a dictionary. Unfortunately, that's the attitude about Apple that most geeks have: "this is the 'definition' of innovation and Apple is not conforming to that definition!" I think it's a very narrow (and arrogantly self-serving) way of thinking about innovation.

Its like saying : there were no linux before Ubuntu !


No...it's like saying that desktop Linux was not so polished before Ubuntu. But I would never say that (how easily people forget about Knoppix and MEPIS). I specifically acknowledged that Apple is taking a lot of its paradigms from preexisting products (and research).

I should reiterate that I use the most unpolished software on earth and have never bought an Apple product.

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Yagami Member since:
2006-07-15

as i wrote on a post in the thread , i admit my mistake of the definition of inovation. so i do agree with your original post. sorry for the mistake.

but i do not agree with : " I think it's a very narrow (and arrogantly self-serving) way of thinking about innovation.".

i think that we should stand by the correctness of things and just not say inovation or invention just to conform with what the media or companies say.

but then again, i stand by the gnu/linux slogan and not just linux, so you see from what kind of geek i come from ;)

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leos Member since:
2005-09-21

Polish is Polish ! And Inovation is Inovation !

Apple just cannot rewrite the dictionary just to sell more !


They're not rewriting the dictionary. You just didn't read the dictionary.

Here's what Wikipedia says about innovation:

Innovation is the creation of better or more effective products, processes, services, technologies, or ideas that are accepted by markets, governments, and society. Innovation differs from invention in that innovation refers to the use of a new idea or method, whereas invention refers more directly to the creation of the idea or method itself.


Almost everyone in this thread confused invention with innovation. Apple did not invent the smart phone. However they certainly innovated by creating the iPhone.

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Yagami Member since:
2006-07-15

ok, fair enough. i admit my mistake.

although is up for arguments the ammount of innovation on the iphone, usually when i think of innovation if think of new things.

since it seems that inovation only means "better, polished" ways to do the old thing, i guess its fair enough.

i stand corrected !

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