Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 23rd Feb 2012 17:53 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless "Jobs called Android a 'stolen product', but theft can be a tricky concept when talking about innovation. The iPhone didn't emerge fully formed from Jobs's head. Rather, it represented the culmination of incremental innovation over decades - much of which occurred outside of Cupertino." Nothing particularly new in there for regular OSNews readers, but still handy to have it in one place.
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RE[3]: Comment by WorknMan
by No it isnt on Fri 24th Feb 2012 17:36 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by WorknMan"
No it isnt
Member since:
2005-11-14

The "just works" myth of Apple products is just a myth. And if it really existed and really trumped everything, it would have real-world consequences which in fact it does not have. Apple users would be more efficient in the workplace (they are not), they wouldn't need support (they do, often for the most trivial things), in short using Apple would be more economical and efficient, which it is not.

Your "argument" is that people who aren't geeks magically "just know" that it is so, and since geeks just "don't get it", it's simply impossible to discuss these things. I say you're full of shit and cliched marketing tricks.

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RE[4]: Comment by WorknMan
by MysterMask on Sun 26th Feb 2012 11:51 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by WorknMan"
MysterMask Member since:
2005-07-12

Do you have any hard facts? TCO or productivity studies? Anything?

Based on my personal experience I can safely say that due to Apple there are more people able to successfully use complex devices like computers, smartphones and tables without or with only minor tech support.
E. g. I worked in a company having about 50% PCs and 50% Macs. Mac support was done by a single person, PC support needed a team of four. Your point was?

Of course there are those horrible examples where Windows supporters try to do / have to do Mac support without any knowledge and support costs starts to get ugly expensive due to that.

The fact remains: Since Apple's iPhone there are hugh numbers of users now able to surf the web, doing e-mails and stuff without the "friendly neighbor" doing PC support and reinstalling Windows now and then. This is a hugh productivity gain (you can always quarrel about the usefulness of what people to with their devices) not seen before with Symbian, Windows, Linux, etc.

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RE[5]: Comment by WorknMan
by No it isnt on Mon 27th Feb 2012 20:32 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by WorknMan"
No it isnt Member since:
2005-11-14

Right. Anecdote, hyperbole and bullshit. That's what makes Apple fanboys so much more productive. There's a reason why I despise you guys.

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RE[5]: Comment by WorknMan
by zima on Thu 1st Mar 2012 23:20 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by WorknMan"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

You don't seem to realise how this works, you have it backwards.
You make an extraordinary claim, you have to provide "hard facts" - but all the metric you give is some personal anecdote.
While the dynamics you imply would need to be seen in a larger picture.

And, BTW, what I would call "productivity of nations" (that's decently large) isn't exactly coming with adoption of Apple products (yeah, it might seem so at first sight, but this correlation appears because Apple targets virtually only affluent places, openly states as its goal to ignore "lesser" and not profligate enough people).
But it's clearly not a rule - for example, Israel (a place which I would definitely consider among most productive / innovative, great per capita) has very low OSX adoption for some reason (I'm sure some would say it's due to their stereotypical frugality & thoughtfulness with spending ;p ): http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-IL-monthly-200812-201203 (a level also typical throughout the world).
South Korea would be another such example that I'm aware of.

And Symbian is still at the top BTW ( http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-ww-monthly-200812-201203 ), it actually regained some of the lead and keeps it steady, but I guess you wouldn't know this spewing anecdotes instead of actual metrics.

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