Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 24th Feb 2012 21:59 UTC
Multimedia, AV An interesting anecdote at MinimalMac about television being broken. The author's young daughter, who is growing up in a Netflix/Hulu/iTunes/etc. household, was confronted with actual TV for the first time, and wonders why she can't pick what to watch, why the shows are being interrupted all the time, and so on. Clearly - TV is broken.
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RE: Still stealing.
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 24th Feb 2012 22:21 UTC in reply to "Still stealing."
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29



* downloading IS legal in my country.
* I don't have a credit card. Relatively few people do in The Netherlands.
* Not HD. This is a DVD.
* No sample. Can't see if I like the series before buying it.
* The kicker: "No shipments to Germany, Italy,Netherlands, Hungary, Spain, Portugal, Denmark, Austria, South American countries."

Edited 2012-02-24 22:21 UTC

Reply Parent Score: 16

v RE[2]: Still stealing.
by ilovebeer on Sat 25th Feb 2012 00:42 in reply to "RE: Still stealing."
v RE[2]: Still stealing.
by Vinegar Joe on Sat 25th Feb 2012 00:53 in reply to "RE: Still stealing."
RE[3]: Still stealing.
by BeamishBoy on Sat 25th Feb 2012 01:01 in reply to "RE[2]: Still stealing."
BeamishBoy Member since:
2010-10-27

Why do your your TV shows suck so bad? I mean seriously, outside of a few humorous commercials, European TV is really, really bad.


You clearly have no familiarity with European TV. Engrenages, Forbrydelsen, Wallander, Lilyhammer, and Borgen are all outstanding TV.

And then of course there's the BBC, which is the greatest collection of TV & Radio channels anywhere, ever.

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RE[3]: Still stealing.
by tylerdurden on Sat 25th Feb 2012 01:36 in reply to "RE[2]: Still stealing."
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

Dude, your profile claims you're in Taiwan.

If that is the case, something about people in glass houses and throwing rocks not being a good combination, etc, etc.

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RE[3]: Still stealing.
by fran on Sat 25th Feb 2012 03:00 in reply to "RE[2]: Still stealing."
fran Member since:
2010-08-06

The other day I started to watch the series Braquo for the first time. Really impressed.

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RE[3]: Still stealing.
by Neolander on Sat 25th Feb 2012 07:14 in reply to "RE[2]: Still stealing."
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Well, we get crappy TV, you get bandwidth-capped internet connections and multiple incompatible wireless standards. Take your pick ;)

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RE[3]: Still stealing.
by Browser Insider on Sat 25th Feb 2012 10:58 in reply to "RE[2]: Still stealing."
Browser Insider Member since:
2009-06-16

In France, I would only watch two channels: France 5 and Arte (and to some extend, free TV shows from Canal+). The other channels are crappy!

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RE[2]: Still stealing.
by Neolander on Sat 25th Feb 2012 07:03 in reply to "RE: Still stealing."
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

* downloading IS legal in my country.

Downloading, yes, but on p2p services you usually have to seed back isn't it ?

This has always bothered me.

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RE[3]: Still stealing.
by Browser Insider on Sat 25th Feb 2012 11:01 in reply to "RE[2]: Still stealing."
Browser Insider Member since:
2009-06-16

Do some people still use P2P? Most people I know use direct downloads...And if your country forbides downloading of copyrighted material, direct downloading is one of the few ways not to get caught.

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RE[3]: Still stealing.
by aliquis on Sun 26th Feb 2012 21:48 in reply to "RE[2]: Still stealing."
aliquis Member since:
2005-07-23

Would suck if only one or a few people hosted the content and took all the risk.

What bothers me is that anyone cares in the first place and don't just accept that this is what will be done. Let it happen.

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RE[2]: Still stealing.
by Browser Insider on Sat 25th Feb 2012 11:14 in reply to "RE: Still stealing."
Browser Insider Member since:
2009-06-16

What I think about intrusive ads in TV programs is that we could do to TV what we've done to the web with Adblock Plus. The small community of admins could use a computer application used to monitor a TV channel and to add milestones at the very beginnings and ends of every ad. Then they would share in real time these milestones accross other users who would watch their TV show slightly late, and their application would cut off TV ads based on the ads database updated in real time. This could also be used when you schedule a recording. Let's say you want to record a movie tonight. You set your computer to record film XYZ tonight, using the database. No ads before, no ads after, and none inbetween either! This would be 100% legal and convenient. Sample of database content, for instance:

channel3;from=06:32:15;md5start=765767892210972;to=06:43:12;md5stop=65 52972019862453
channe02;from=06:32:15=md5start;765767892210972;to=06:43:12;md5stop=65 52972019862453
channe11;from=06:32:15;md5start=765767892210972;to=06:43:12;md5stop=65 52972019862453
channe01;from=06:32:15;md5start=765767892210972;to=06:43:12;md5stop=65 52972019862453
channe10;from=06:32:15;md5start=765767892210972;to=06:43:12;md5stop=65 52972019862453

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RE[2]: Still stealing.
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Sat 25th Feb 2012 16:03 in reply to "RE: Still stealing."
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Most people in The Netherlands don't have credit cards? What do you use to purchase items? Certainly not Cash or Cheques?

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RE[3]: Still stealing.
by Heard on Sat 25th Feb 2012 16:28 in reply to "RE[2]: Still stealing."
Heard Member since:
2009-12-24

I can only speak for germans, but most people here use simple wire transfers from one to another bank account or Paypal to pay online. Or cash or a debit card (different from the american credit cards) to pay in the super market.

Thom mentioned something about a special payment method to pay online in the netherlands, though.

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RE[3]: Still stealing.
by Fergy on Sat 25th Feb 2012 22:16 in reply to "RE[2]: Still stealing."
Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

Most people in The Netherlands don't have credit cards? What do you use to purchase items? Certainly not Cash or Cheques?

It must sound really alien and stupid to you but the idea of credit cards sound even more stupid to dutch people. Most people use a 'pin pas' a card with a magnetic strip and these days a chip. You use a four digit Personal Identification System(PIN) number. It goes directly from your bank account to the merchant.
By default you pay with money you have but you can activate an automatic debt if you want to spend more than you have.

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RE[3]: Still stealing.
by gfx1 on Mon 27th Feb 2012 00:24 in reply to "RE[2]: Still stealing."
gfx1 Member since:
2006-01-20

In the Netherlands a lot of sites use iDeal. It is an automated interface for electronic banking.
(the ammount, accountnumber and order number are already included you just Ok the transer of the funds.
The receiver get an e-mail that it is payed so they can ship the product immediately instead of waiting for the bank to actually finish the transaction. Which takes at least a day. Banks in the netherlands are slowly migrating from the coal powered steam driven computers.

Grown up Dutch people who go on holidays abroad do have credit cards. Gas-stations, tollbooth in France, car rental companies, hotels are a lot easier with it.

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