Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 24th Feb 2012 17:53 UTC
General Development "In this blog post (and the one that will follow) we'd like to introduce a few of the broad reaching experience improvements that we've delivered in Visual Studio 11. We've worked hard on them over the last two years and believe that they will significantly improve the experience that you will have with Visual Studio."
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RE[6]: For C++
by vivainio on Sat 25th Feb 2012 07:13 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: For C++"
vivainio
Member since:
2008-12-26

Some people consider Testing, collaboration, version management, etc. to be fundamental in the software development cycle.


And professionals are perfectly capable of using discrete tools for these purposes.

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RE[7]: For C++
by moondevil on Sat 25th Feb 2012 09:15 in reply to "RE[6]: For C++"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

Professionals use the tools the clients wish to have, without getting into religious discussions about tools.

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RE[8]: For C++
by _txf_ on Sat 25th Feb 2012 16:19 in reply to "RE[7]: For C++"
_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

Professionals use the tools the clients wish to have, without getting into religious discussions about tools.


Professionals, are still people.

People are allowed to have opinions and preferences...

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RE[7]: For C++
by tylerdurden on Sat 25th Feb 2012 09:24 in reply to "RE[6]: For C++"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

Yeah, but those are not INTEGRATED are they?

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RE[8]: For C++
by vivainio on Sat 25th Feb 2012 14:21 in reply to "RE[7]: For C++"
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26

Yeah, but those are not INTEGRATED are they?


Yes, that's what I meant by discrete.

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RE[7]: For C++
by gonzo on Sat 25th Feb 2012 19:11 in reply to "RE[6]: For C++"
gonzo Member since:
2005-11-10

Nobody is forcing you to use all tools that are part of Visual Studio.

You do not need Report Designer? Then don't use it. You do not need XSLT debugger? Don't use it, etc.

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RE[8]: For C++
by vivainio on Sat 25th Feb 2012 19:43 in reply to "RE[7]: For C++"
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26

Nobody is forcing you to use all tools that are part of Visual Studio.

You do not need Report Designer? Then don't use it. You do not need XSLT debugger? Don't use it, etc.


I have no beef with Visual Studio having lots of features. Eclipse has too, and eclipse is a fine IDE.

Extra features do not make the IDE significantly worse, but I'm arguing they don't make it significantly better either.

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RE[7]: For C++
by Delgarde on Sun 26th Feb 2012 20:46 in reply to "RE[6]: For C++"
Delgarde Member since:
2008-08-19

"Some people consider Testing, collaboration, version management, etc. to be fundamental in the software development cycle.


And professionals are perfectly capable of using discrete tools for these purposes.
"

Capable of, yes - but that doesn't mean they *want* to use separate tools. There are a lot of advantages in having version control integrated with your code editor - annotated views to show recent changes within a file, syntax-aware tools for resolving merge conflicts, etc.

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