Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 24th Feb 2012 21:59 UTC
Multimedia, AV An interesting anecdote at MinimalMac about television being broken. The author's young daughter, who is growing up in a Netflix/Hulu/iTunes/etc. household, was confronted with actual TV for the first time, and wonders why she can't pick what to watch, why the shows are being interrupted all the time, and so on. Clearly - TV is broken.
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RE[2]: Still stealing.
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Sat 25th Feb 2012 16:03 UTC in reply to "RE: Still stealing."
Bill Shooter of Bul
Member since:
2006-07-14

Most people in The Netherlands don't have credit cards? What do you use to purchase items? Certainly not Cash or Cheques?

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RE[3]: Still stealing.
by Heard on Sat 25th Feb 2012 16:28 in reply to "RE[2]: Still stealing."
Heard Member since:
2009-12-24

I can only speak for germans, but most people here use simple wire transfers from one to another bank account or Paypal to pay online. Or cash or a debit card (different from the american credit cards) to pay in the super market.

Thom mentioned something about a special payment method to pay online in the netherlands, though.

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RE[4]: Still stealing.
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Sat 25th Feb 2012 16:40 in reply to "RE[3]: Still stealing."
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Debit cards make sense, they really are interchangeable with credit cards. I often call them credit cards, even though they really aren't. If the have a Visa/electron, Mastercard/maestro, logo, they will work with any merchant that takes those credit cards ( with a few exceptions, like car rentals).

Wire transfers seem pretty cumbersome for purchasing goods. PayPal is evil, I have refused to use them since 1998.

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RE[4]: Still stealing.
by Doc Pain on Sat 25th Feb 2012 21:29 in reply to "RE[3]: Still stealing."
Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

For those living in the US where "real" credit cards seem to be very common, the following explaination may make the situation clear:

I can only speak for germans, but most people here use simple wire transfers from one to another bank account or Paypal to pay online. Or cash or a debit card (different from the american credit cards) to pay in the super market.


Unlike credit cards, debit cards are issued by your bank. In the default case, you can only spend as much money as you have available on your bank account. Drawing credit (or overdraft) is possible if you manage that with your bank (up to a given limit).

During the payment, no 3rd party is involved: The system is called ELV (Elektronisches Lastschrift-Verfahren) = electronic debit procedure. It's commonly used "offline" (e. g. in most shops and restaurants, the supermarket or everyone who has a "payment line" with his bank to participate in "cashless" payment procedures).

During the procedure, the bank of the person where your buy something gets a transfer from your bank. This transfer is authorized by your 4-digit PIN and the insertion of the card into a special reader. Security is typically enhanced by a chip on the card, while the transfer data (account and bank number) are obtained from the magnetic stripe.

(Most banks allow you to also to get cash at an ATM with the same card. Some cards include a different chip where you can "upload" money from your account "onto" the chip in order to make payments, e. g. at parking lot payment machines.)

Thom mentioned something about a special payment method to pay online in the netherlands, though.


You can use PayPal to pay per your bank account, but this does not involve your plastic card.

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RE[3]: Still stealing.
by Fergy on Sat 25th Feb 2012 22:16 in reply to "RE[2]: Still stealing."
Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

Most people in The Netherlands don't have credit cards? What do you use to purchase items? Certainly not Cash or Cheques?

It must sound really alien and stupid to you but the idea of credit cards sound even more stupid to dutch people. Most people use a 'pin pas' a card with a magnetic strip and these days a chip. You use a four digit Personal Identification System(PIN) number. It goes directly from your bank account to the merchant.
By default you pay with money you have but you can activate an automatic debt if you want to spend more than you have.

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RE[3]: Still stealing.
by gfx1 on Mon 27th Feb 2012 00:24 in reply to "RE[2]: Still stealing."
gfx1 Member since:
2006-01-20

In the Netherlands a lot of sites use iDeal. It is an automated interface for electronic banking.
(the ammount, accountnumber and order number are already included you just Ok the transer of the funds.
The receiver get an e-mail that it is payed so they can ship the product immediately instead of waiting for the bank to actually finish the transaction. Which takes at least a day. Banks in the netherlands are slowly migrating from the coal powered steam driven computers.

Grown up Dutch people who go on holidays abroad do have credit cards. Gas-stations, tollbooth in France, car rental companies, hotels are a lot easier with it.

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