Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 24th Feb 2012 17:53 UTC
General Development "In this blog post (and the one that will follow) we'd like to introduce a few of the broad reaching experience improvements that we've delivered in Visual Studio 11. We've worked hard on them over the last two years and believe that they will significantly improve the experience that you will have with Visual Studio."
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RE[10]: For C++
by ba1l on Sun 26th Feb 2012 01:12 UTC in reply to "RE[9]: For C++"
ba1l
Member since:
2007-09-08

From a C++ development standpoint, VisualStudio is indeed top notch. Period. Esp. If you are developing a large scale application with a large team on Windows.


I disagree, but I suspect that I may have a very different focus than you. I neither need nor want all the ancillary tools. I just need a tool I can use to work with the code.

For me, it comes down to the editor. Visual Studio's editor sucks - it's extremely simplistic, and most of the extra bells and whistles (like autocompletion) really don't work well enough, or provide enough benefit over a really good text editor, to be worth the hassle.

Yes, I know that most of this is because C++ is a very difficult language to write tools for. That's really no excuse though - other tools, much newer and built with far fewer resources than Visual Studio, have managed far better.

I would have taken you seriously if you had not used Eclipse as an example of excellence. Let me guess, by "coming from a Java background" you mean you just graduated school.


For C++, Eclipse isn't very good. Granted.

However, for Java, Eclipse is far, far better than Visual Studio is for C#. So is NetBeans, and especially IntelliJ IDEA.

If you want a point of comparison - Resharper for Visual Studio was written by the same guys who made IDEA (a Java IDE). The idea was to bring features from IDEA into Visual Studio, presumably so they didn't have to write their own .Net IDE as well.

The features that Resharper adds are standard in IDEA, and are generally found in Eclipse and NetBeans as well.

No need to get angry at the guy, by the way. He actually sounds like he's done a lot of Java development, and was surprised by how primitive Visual Studio was in comparison. So was I, especially considering the glowing reputation that Visual Studio has.

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RE[11]: For C++
by tylerdurden on Sun 26th Feb 2012 05:23 in reply to "RE[10]: For C++"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

That actually makes sense.

My focus of usage of VisualStudio was on high performance visualization/analysis/simulation apps, and the performance analysis and testing tools in the VS ecosystem are indeed top notch. And that was surprising to me, because normally I have never been that interested by Microsoft offerings.



BTW, I wasn't "angry" at the guy. I feel most comfortable with emacs+command line tools, so I was just amused about the assumptions he made about me, just because I said something positive about VS.

Edited 2012-02-26 05:31 UTC

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RE[12]: For C++
by ba1l on Mon 27th Feb 2012 05:54 in reply to "RE[11]: For C++"
ba1l Member since:
2007-09-08

That actually makes sense.

My focus of usage of VisualStudio was on high performance visualization/analysis/simulation apps, and the performance analysis and testing tools in the VS ecosystem are indeed top notch.


Yeah, that'd be it. Their niche tools are actually pretty good, for some reason.

If I were working on a project where those tools were actually useful, I'd probably be using Visual Studio as well. If the benefit of using those tools outweighs the inconvenience of having to use Visual Studio for a while, it'd be worth it.

BTW, I wasn't "angry" at the guy. I feel most comfortable with emacs+command line tools, so I was just amused about the assumptions he made about me, just because I said something positive about VS.


Yeah, poor choice of words on my part. Not quite sure what I was trying to say there...

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