Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 27th Feb 2012 11:19 UTC
Windows There's a lot of news coming out of Mobile World Congress in Barcelona today, but since we can't compete with the well-funded gadget blogs, I suggest you read up on the details at The Verge (or Engadget). One thing stood out to me, though. While the entire industry is moving towards more cores, more megapixels, more gigahertz, more display inches - Microsoft is doing the exact opposite. Windows Phone has been updated and optimised to run on slower hardware.
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RE: Bad move
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 27th Feb 2012 12:24 UTC in reply to "Bad move"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

When people start buying cheap WP7 phones and have a less than steller experience


Considering current single-core 1Ghz WP7 devices run circles around dual/quad-core iOS and Android devices when it comes to performance and responsiveness, I highly doubt this will be the case.

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RE[2]: Bad move
by leech on Mon 27th Feb 2012 12:27 in reply to "RE: Bad move"
leech Member since:
2006-01-10

That's like the N9, which is single core, 1ghz, and it runs far smoother with many applications running than most higher end Android devices.

Plain and simple explanation, Dalvik is too top heavy.

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RE[3]: Bad move
by bnolsen on Mon 27th Feb 2012 14:35 in reply to "RE[2]: Bad move"
bnolsen Member since:
2006-01-06

b-b-b-but java is just as fast as c++ right?

Microsoft has a huge problem here. They sat out of the modern smartphone market for years and have allowed ios and android to entrench themselves as the 1&2 players.

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RE[3]: Bad move
by dsmogor on Mon 27th Feb 2012 17:05 in reply to "RE[2]: Bad move"
dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

I'd agree. The only smooth google App that I have in my device (youtube) is said to use renderscript instead of Dalvik.

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RE[3]: Bad move
by butters on Mon 27th Feb 2012 17:23 in reply to "RE[2]: Bad move"
butters Member since:
2005-07-08

Probably more to do with software rendering in pre-ICS Android and other issues with the SDK. I find it hard to believe that Dalvik would be outperformed by JS engines, given the nature of the respective code representations (bytecode vs. text), type systems (static vs. dynamic), and object models (classes vs. prototypes). The JS engines have to solve a more difficult problem set.

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RE[2]: Bad move
by bolomkxxviii on Mon 27th Feb 2012 19:21 in reply to "RE: Bad move"
bolomkxxviii Member since:
2006-05-19

It is not just processor speed. Some apps wont run because of the reduced amount of memory.

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RE[2]: Bad move
by delta0.delta0 on Wed 29th Feb 2012 01:55 in reply to "RE: Bad move"
delta0.delta0 Member since:
2010-06-01

Thom, the truth is they dont run rings around dual core ios and Android devices. Honestly i wish you would bring some objectivity to your arguments.

You forget some very important facts :

* windows phone only supports 480x800 resolution the galaxy nexus runs at 1280 x720 thats like 4 times the resolution, the iphone 4/4s is 960 x 640.

Thats a major limitation of the platform currently, and its part of their spec, just face it wp7 doesn't support resolutions above this and its a clear limitation of their software stack.

* wp does not support nfc

* wp does not support proper multitasking.

* wp does not have a single phone that is dual core, this points to a genuine limitation on the kernel. Regardless of current comments coming from qualcomm, its pretty obvious that up until now it has not been able to support dual core processors, otherwise why wouldn't the Nokia phones ship with dual core processors ?

* wp does not have a single phone that supports 1080p video recording.

Does any one else have anything else to add that windows phone doesn't support ?


It always amazes me how my HTC HD7 with its ageing single-core processor feels more fluent, fast, and responsive than my dual-core iPad 2 or Galaxy SII. Well, technically it doesn't amaze me at all, because Windows Mobile PocketPC SP2 CE Embedded Compact Ultimate already ran very fast on PDAs ten years ago, but still.


Seriously was this paragraph even necessary ? Your comparing a phone to a tablet, why dont you compare the phone to an iphone 4 ?

IOS is smooth, I have not heard a single complaint about IOS performance on the iphone 4 or 4s, dont you think your comment is an exaggeration here ?

Windows phone 6.5 performed like ass and that was available only a few years ago, comparing these current phones to 10 yr old tech that didn't even have support for multi touch capacitive displays is a bit off, did it support graphics acceleration ? did it do any sort of 3d / graphics effects ?. Your dealing with completely different tech, seriously, its a really bad point to make and proves absolutely nothing.

I am not bringing up android, even though its my platform of choice as perception is at play you "feel" performance is smoother, so therefore assume performance is smoother even though android is doing and balancing a lot more at once than all other current platforms on the market, in fact I Love my Galaxy Nexus, its a thing of beauty.

The real competition is with the High end devices, the big money is in the high end smart phones. Aren't alarm bells ringing in your head right now ? Instead of announcing phones with 720p displays and dual core processors, they are announcing support for lower end phones ? Doesn't this show clear limitations in their software stack ?

The latest and greatest windows phone 7.5:

http://www.theverge.com/products/lumia-900-lte/4624 still 800x480, still only single core, whats the point of such a massive phone if the resolution is that low ?

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RE[3]: Bad move
by HappyGod on Wed 29th Feb 2012 06:32 in reply to "RE[2]: Bad move"
HappyGod Member since:
2005-10-19

windows phone only supports 480x800 resolution the galaxy nexus runs at 1280 x720 thats like 4 times the resolution, the iphone 4/4s is 960 x 640.


Just because you feel that 1280x720 is somehow essential on a phone, draining the bejesus out of your battery, most other people don't. Including me.

wp does not support nfc


Yes it does. It came out in Mango. No OEM's have decided to include that feature in any handset, but that's because they don't see the value in doing so, not because the OS doesn't support it.

wp does not support proper multitasking


WP does support multitasking, just not for 3rd party applications. Microsoft made that decision, like a lot of their other decisions, to preserve battery life. You might not agree with that decision, but it doesn't mean the OS is less capable.

wp does not have a single phone that is dual core, this points to a genuine limitation on the kernel. Regardless of current comments coming from qualcomm, its pretty obvious that up until now it has not been able to support dual core processors, otherwise why wouldn't the Nokia phones ship with dual core processors ?


They don't support dual core because they don't need to. If the phone runs perfectly well with one core, why bother? Building a great phone isn't a competition to see who can cram the most hardware into a device, it's about the device doing everything you want it to do very well.

Does any one else have anything else to add that windows phone doesn't support?


I read this to mean: "Can anyone else help me bash the Windows 7 OS? I'm fresh out of ideas"

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RE[3]: Bad move
by zima on Sat 3rd Mar 2012 21:31 in reply to "RE[2]: Bad move"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

the truth is they dont run rings around dual core ios and Android devices. [...]
* windows phone only supports 480x800 resolution the galaxy nexus runs at 1280 x720 thats like 4 times the resolution, the iphone 4/4s is 960 x 640.
[...]
* wp does not support proper multitasking.

And yet, handsets with lower resolutions don't exactly help either Android or iOS, in the discussed ("snappy") attribute. Likewise running only one user-installed app. They're essentially wasting their additional processing power or cores.


BTW your nearby...
The higher resolution provides more rendered text which in turn means less scrolling

...hardly anybody keeps their phones to their noses when using them.
And yes, many people use "smartphones" largely just as pleasant to use mobile phones.

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