Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 28th Feb 2012 23:11 UTC
Linux Linus Torvalds on requiring the root password for mundane tasks. "So here's a plea: if you have anything to do with security in a distro, and think that my kids (replace 'my kids' with 'sales people on the road' if you think your main customers are businesses) need to have the root password to access some wireless network, or to be able to print out a paper, or to change the date-and-time settings, please just kill yourself now. The world will be a better place." Yes, it's harsh (deal with it, Finns don't beat around the bush), but he's completely and utterly right. While there's cases where it makes sense to disable certain settings (public terminals, for instance), it is utterly idiotic that regular home users have to type in their root password for such mundane tasks.
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by TomF on Tue 28th Feb 2012 23:53 UTC
TomF
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2010-01-22

I agree (up to a point):

there should be 2 levels:
- root: master of the universe
- admin: capable of common tasks that affect all users on a box and yet is not capable to make liefe impossible (if you get my drift)

another distro for a macbook air ? WHY... the thing is designed for Mac OS... either you buy into that deal or you don't. I don't try to feed my cat dogfood either after all.

TomUK

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by broken_symlink on Tue 28th Feb 2012 23:56 in reply to "2 remarks..."
broken_symlink Member since:
2005-07-06

do you say the same thing about a laptop preloaded with windows?

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by ndrw on Wed 29th Feb 2012 03:48 in reply to "RE: 2 remarks..."
ndrw Member since:
2009-06-30

I don't exactly agree with Tom's opinion - it makes sense for me to use different OS than OSX on Mac - that's just my personal preference (I find OSX GUI, albeit smooth and flashy, rather limiting).

But then there are two points I agree with him:
- Mac was designed for OSX and OSX was designed for Mac. This is difficult to beat as the detail hardware specs are only known to Apple devs. Contrast it with a PC - an OEM may design the hardware for Windows but Windows (just like Linux) is only made for a generic PC.
- Linux and OSX both are Unix-based systems. There are simply less incentives for switching the system. In most cases the user can simply install missing apps.

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by itanic on Wed 29th Feb 2012 09:54 in reply to "2 remarks..."
itanic Member since:
2008-08-03


there should be 2 levels:
- root: master of the universe
- admin: capable of common tasks that affect all users on a box and yet is not capable to make liefe impossible (if you get my drift)


That's what groups are for. Restrict common admin tasks to members of admin groups. Don't make any accounts members of the wheel/operator/admin/etc. groups unless the people who posses them can be trusted. For kids, salespeople, accountants, etc. a regular account with no privileged group memberships should be good enough. They can su to a different account with admin group membership on the occasions where they do need to do admin tasks.

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by TomF on Wed 29th Feb 2012 19:51 in reply to "RE: 2 remarks..."
TomF Member since:
2010-01-22

That's what groups are for. Restrict common admin tasks to members of admin groups. ....


tx! seems I still have to learn more ;) will look into this

TomUK

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by ggeldenhuys on Thu 1st Mar 2012 10:52 in reply to "2 remarks..."
ggeldenhuys Member since:
2006-11-13

another distro for a macbook air ? WHY... the thing is designed for Mac OS... either you buy into that deal or you don't. I don't try to feed my cat dogfood either after all.

The issue has nothing to do with hardware. The security is ALL software!

As for using a different OS on Apple hardware... I don't see any problem with that. Apple makes decent hardware, so why are we not allowed to run our own software on that decent hardware.

Look around! Most laptops are crap and made of plastic, or feel pasticy. Most have low battery life compared to Apple laptops. Also most laptop manufacturer buy into this crap low resolution widescreen monitors - because it's cheaper (thanks to all the LCD TV's). When last did you see a 1.6 ratio laptop monitor? Apple still makes those!

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