Linked by David Adams on Thu 1st Mar 2012 22:39 UTC, submitted by Fabrice Mous
GNU, GPL, Open Source The Dutch LinuxMagazine translated an interview (direct PDF link) from their magazine with Gianugo Rabellino, Senior Director Open Source Communities at Microsoft into English. Many of your readers are probably wondering, is Microsoft really involved in open source these days, or is there more to it? Fabrice Mous started his conversation with Mr. Rabellino to get to know him better, but also to ask him some pressing questions about Microsoft's policies towards open source and open standards. It turned out to be an interesting, but certainly quite critical conversation, that will probably lead to some discussion.

We would very much like to hear your opinion on the open source policy of Microsoft.

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RE: free Visual studio
by BluenoseJake on Fri 2nd Mar 2012 02:48 UTC in reply to "free Visual studio"
BluenoseJake
Member since:
2005-08-11

I know there is a free crippled version but Microsoft should make the full feature versions of Visual Studio free.
Apple understand this, and don't charge you for theirs.
This will encourage more people to become involved in .net open source projects.



Visual Studio Express is not crippled, you can write any type of program you want, you have full access to the full .net framework. What you lose is integration, each language (vb.net, c#, c++, as well as Web Developer) has it's own express edition, and there are no team functionality. The db management functionality (the IDE, not access from code), is limited, but there is an express edition of SQL Server, and it has a management console. Any apps you write can run on any Windows computer.

They also release the c# framework that lets you write games for the 360 and the Zune(I know, I know) It's called XNA Studio. It costs money to distribute on Live, but the tools are free.

Edited 2012-03-02 02:51 UTC

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RE[2]: free Visual studio
by fran on Fri 2nd Mar 2012 02:53 in reply to "RE: free Visual studio"
fran Member since:
2010-08-06

Last time I checked you could not write 64bit applications in it.

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RE[3]: free Visual studio
by Laurence on Fri 2nd Mar 2012 10:28 in reply to "RE[2]: free Visual studio"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Last time I checked you could not write 64bit applications in it.

When was the last time you checked? :p

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RE[2]: free Visual studio
by fran on Fri 2nd Mar 2012 03:11 in reply to "RE: free Visual studio"
fran Member since:
2010-08-06

"I know there is a free crippled version but Microsoft should make the full feature versions of Visual Studio free.
Apple understand this, and don't charge you for theirs.
This will encourage more people to become involved in .net open source projects.



Visual Studio Express is not crippled, you can write any type of program you want, you have full access to the full .net framework. What you lose is integration, each language (vb.net, c#, c++, as well as Web Developer) has it's own express edition, and there are no team functionality. The db management functionality (the IDE, not access from code), is limited, but there is an express edition of SQL Server, and it has a management console. Any apps you write can run on any Windows computer.

They also release the c# framework that lets you write games for the 360 and the Zune(I know, I know) It's called XNA Studio. It costs money to distribute on Live, but the tools are free.
"

Don't you think Teamview will be beneficial to open source development? This is what the article is about. Opinions on how MS can improve it's open source policy.
Now the votetards vote me down for saying Visual Studio should be free.

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RE[3]: free Visual studio
by BluenoseJake on Fri 2nd Mar 2012 05:28 in reply to "RE[2]: free Visual studio"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

It would be beneficial, but that's not the same as necessary. It doesn't make the express editions crippled with out them. You could use 3rd party team software, or build your own, buy an msdn sub for $350

They don't have to give away everything, and MS, they give away quite a bit. At least when it comes to Dev tools.

Edited 2012-03-02 05:30 UTC

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RE[2]: free Visual studio
by Valhalla on Sat 3rd Mar 2012 15:55 in reply to "RE: free Visual studio"
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2006-01-24


Visual Studio Express is not crippled, you can write any type of program you want, you have full access to the full .net framework.

Yes it is crippled, they have removed powerful optimizations such as profile guided optimization and link time optimization and also openmp.

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RE[3]: free Visual studio
by BluenoseJake on Mon 5th Mar 2012 11:39 in reply to "RE[2]: free Visual studio"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

Once again, useful, but not required to write apps. You can use a 3rd party profiler. Or you could, buy something.

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RE[2]: free Visual studio
by ideasman42 on Mon 5th Mar 2012 13:23 in reply to "RE: free Visual studio"
ideasman42 Member since:
2007-07-20

it most definitely _IS_ crippled.

Though probably usable for small student projects which is obviously the intent.

- No OpenMP support
- No building from the command line (misses tool to build a project from the command line).
- Binary incompatible when linking with debug builds of libs built in commercial MSVC. - caused me much lost time to figure this out.

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