Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 2nd Mar 2012 16:16 UTC
Windows Wednesday was the big day for Microsoft - the largest overhaul of its operating system since Windows 95 (heck, I'd argue the overhaul is far larger than Windows 95) went into consumer preview. I've been running it on my Asus ZenBook since its release, and in all honesty, it's not as arduous as I expected. I'm not planning on doing a full review, but I do want to mention a number of things - both positive and negative - that stood out to me.
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Useless on the desktop
by deathshadow on Sat 3rd Mar 2012 04:25 UTC
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Member since:
2005-07-12

As a user running four displays -- two 1920x1200 and two 1024x1280 portrait, I have NEVER seen such a colossal step BACKWARDS in functionality. It is PAINFULLY obvious they concentrated so much on the small screen market, that they not only neglected to consider people who actually have decent desktops, they basically turned around and gave us the finger. Hell, for a moment I felt like I was on Ubuntu "netbook remix" -- and no, that's NOT a compliment.

It reminds me of tabs in programmers editors -- like the people writing these editors never had a MDA and CGA connected at the same time; it's the same type of step backwards in functionality being touted as an advancement... as if we somehow don't know how to use the taskbar and need a second one built into the application for no good reason. I bet they'd freak if they saw my normal workflow for web development, with markup/php on the left half of the left display, css on the right half of the left display, browsers layered over each-other at two-thirds the center display with, Opera fullscreen 'under' all the others with it's tabs in the USEFUL position of portrait on the right, chat windows with clients and filezilla on the mid-right pivot, contact list and the task manager on the far-far right pivot, ALSO in portrait display...

Something I've basically been doing since Windows 3.1 - AND MacOS 7. It's NOT about "Oh you'll adjust" -- this is a radical step backwards in functionality.

Meaning much like with the release of Vista making people stick with XP, I'm seeing no real reason to migrate from Win7 to 8.

Trying to get into a new market where one's presence is minimal is a good idea, but not at the cost of your massive existing userbase. It's funny -- when I got my hands on the beta of Win7 I said "finally, a new version of Windows I can honestly say I don't have a problem with paying money for!" -- this time? Not so much.

Though I'll see how it is on my MSI Wind... Maybe as many have said it makes more sense on a single small display... seems to be what it's for. It sure as shine-ola isn't meant for people with REAL desktop computers.

Edited 2012-03-03 04:33 UTC

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RE: Useless on the desktop
by modmans2ndcoming on Sat 3rd Mar 2012 06:23 in reply to "Useless on the desktop"
modmans2ndcoming Member since:
2005-11-09

I am loving it on my laptop. It completely makes sense there. I do not have the intestinal fortitude to put it on my main desktop though... I have too much data to worry about at this time to put a pre-release OS on there. I will install it when it goes gold though.

I think MS has focused on the single screen because 95%+ of users have a single screen. If they allowed multiple start screen instances to be run, that would provide you the use of multiple screens. The experience is still going to be different than what you use today though.

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RE[2]: Useless on the desktop
by Morgan on Mon 5th Mar 2012 13:00 in reply to "RE: Useless on the desktop"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

I'm going to keep it on my laptop throughout the preview period, as I don't really store anything there and I'm very happy with the OS so far. Dropbox+Gdocs+Evernote means I don't have to worry about local storage anyway.

On my desktop, I'm going to throw in a spare 300GB drive and install Windows 8 on it. That way I don't blow away my finely tuned Windows 7/Arch Linux setup on the original drive, and I can switch between the two disks with a reboot.

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RE: Useless on the desktop
by Wafflez on Sat 3rd Mar 2012 18:02 in reply to "Useless on the desktop"
Wafflez Member since:
2011-06-26

I feel you. I have three monitor setup and haven't even tried Windows 8.

I guess I'll be sticking to Windows 7 and Visual Studio 2010 for a long time. I mean I'm still writing software for .NET 2.0 and occasionally for 3.5, don't see this changing any time soon to writing in 4.5. ;)

With Microsoft pushing faster releases, I hope that Windows 9 comes "soon" and with it's Metro polished somehow for multi-display setups (which isn't hard to believe when MS can throw millions into designing stuff).

And Metro made xBox UI crappier. Like in the good ol' days, I just needed to see "new releases" tile in "game demos" as it showed three latest demos in it, Metro tile just has "new releases" written on it. And there's one big space with multiple tile showing selected few demos, one per tile, I need to move thru that tile with right stick. fubar ><

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RE: Useless on the desktop
by n4cer on Sat 3rd Mar 2012 21:15 in reply to "Useless on the desktop"
n4cer Member since:
2005-07-06

As a user running four displays -- two 1920x1200 and two 1024x1280 portrait, I have NEVER seen such a colossal step BACKWARDS in functionality. It is PAINFULLY obvious they concentrated so much on the small screen market, that they not only neglected to consider people who actually have decent desktops, they basically turned around and gave us the finger. Hell, for a moment I felt like I was on Ubuntu "netbook remix" -- and no, that's NOT a compliment.

It reminds me of tabs in programmers editors -- like the people writing these editors never had a MDA and CGA connected at the same time; it's the same type of step backwards in functionality being touted as an advancement... as if we somehow don't know how to use the taskbar and need a second one built into the application for no good reason. I bet they'd freak if they saw my normal workflow for web development, with markup/php on the left half of the left display, css on the right half of the left display, browsers layered over each-other at two-thirds the center display with, Opera fullscreen 'under' all the others with it's tabs in the USEFUL position of portrait on the right, chat windows with clients and filezilla on the mid-right pivot, contact list and the task manager on the far-far right pivot, ALSO in portrait display...

Something I've basically been doing since Windows 3.1 - AND MacOS 7. It's NOT about "Oh you'll adjust" -- this is a radical step backwards in functionality.

Meaning much like with the release of Vista making people stick with XP, I'm seeing no real reason to migrate from Win7 to 8.

Trying to get into a new market where one's presence is minimal is a good idea, but not at the cost of your massive existing userbase. It's funny -- when I got my hands on the beta of Win7 I said "finally, a new version of Windows I can honestly say I don't have a problem with paying money for!" -- this time? Not so much.

Though I'll see how it is on my MSI Wind... Maybe as many have said it makes more sense on a single small display... seems to be what it's for. It sure as shine-ola isn't meant for people with REAL desktop computers.


How would this workflow be any different under Windows 8? Desktop window management is largely similar to Windows 7 - one enhancement, the taskbar may now extend to displays other than the primary, and each taskbar may contain only the apps running on that display.

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RE: Useless on the desktop
by tomcat on Mon 5th Mar 2012 20:41 in reply to "Useless on the desktop"
tomcat Member since:
2006-01-06

Really, unless you're not paying attention, the market is trending toward smaller units with lighter-weight CPUs (e.g. ARM). Microsoft would be idiotic to ignore that trend. Which is why they're focusing so much there.

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RE: Useless on the desktop
by dsmogor on Tue 6th Mar 2012 17:08 in reply to "Useless on the desktop"
dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

Btw. By using less resources than 7 and opening to Arm, MS has just scr*ed Intel all over ;) .
2013-15 will be very painful years for generic PC business.

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