Linked by David Adams on Fri 2nd Mar 2012 15:55 UTC, submitted by sawboss
Windows By all early reports, Windows 8 is going to be a good operating system. Microsoft's hegemony may be crumbling in a mobile computing onslaught, but its core empire remains undimmed. However, whereas Windows 7 had three versions, Windows 8 will apparently be ballooning to 9 versions.
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RE: Dun' matter.
by Alfman on Sat 3rd Mar 2012 04:45 UTC in reply to "Dun' matter."
Alfman
Member since:
2011-01-28

Thom Holwerda,

Dun' matter!?!? I realize that's partially tongue in check, but...my parents bought a computer with win7 home on it. I discovered that they routinely experienced a major problem - the desktop would lock for the last user using it when going into screen saver/hibernation. Then, when booting it up, other users could not get on. They could not "switch users", nor could they terminate the locked user's session.

So what did they do, you ask? All they could do, which was to hold down the power button for 4 seconds, and restart. I looked at it thinking that couldn't be right, but it turns out to be a common problem with that version. This is a moronic limitation by microsoft, but it just might be infuriating enough to convince users to upgrade. But the bundled version was seriously unfit for purpose.

The thing is, they upgraded from an XP home desktop which suffered no such limitation.

I disabled the screen saver passwords so at the very least they could log out normally without disrupting power.

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RE[2]: Dun' matter.
by redshift on Sat 3rd Mar 2012 16:07 in reply to "RE: Dun' matter."
redshift Member since:
2006-05-06

So what did they do, you ask? All they could do, which was to hold down the power button for 4 seconds, and restart. I looked at it thinking that couldn't be right, but it turns out to be a common problem with that version. This is a moronic limitation by microsoft, but it just might be infuriating enough to convince users to upgrade. But the bundled version was seriously unfit for purpose.


Causing a situation were a user has to force power cycle the system on a regular basis can't be too good for the long term reliability of that system. I know NTFS has journaling... but I just would not be surprised if that would cause problem if you did it all the time.

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RE[3]: Dun' matter.
by Neolander on Sun 4th Mar 2012 07:39 in reply to "RE[2]: Dun' matter."
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Causing a situation were a user has to force power cycle the system on a regular basis can't be too good for the long term reliability of that system. I know NTFS has journaling... but I just would not be surprised if that would cause problem if you did it all the time.

Actually, I'm not sure that NTFS has journaling of both metadata and file contents, as can be seen on Ext3 as an example.

The only things which are mentioned on NTFS' wikipedia page are metadata journaling and an optional atomic transaction feature that must be explicitly supported by software (read : used by nothing but a few core Windows services).

If this is all there is to NTFS journaling, then the contents of regular files will still likely end up badly botched after repeated power cycles. As an example, a friend who frequently experiences power outages recently encountered some weird problems with his web browser, which I suspect was caused by a corrupt cache that contained incorrect URLs since wiping browser caches solved the problem.

Edited 2012-03-04 07:52 UTC

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RE[2]: Dun' matter.
by MollyC on Sat 3rd Mar 2012 19:17 in reply to "RE: Dun' matter."
MollyC Member since:
2006-07-04

Sounds like a bug to me.

I have used many Win 7 Home Premium computers, and that OS simply does not have the limitation you describe.

Maybe you're referring to WIn 7 Home Basic, which is only available in "emerging markets", but even that shoudl not have the limitation you describe. I've never used it, but such a limitation makes no sense. If that is indeed by design, then it is indeed horrible policy by MS wrt that version of the OS.

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RE[3]: Dun' matter.
by Alfman on Sat 3rd Mar 2012 21:50 in reply to "RE[2]: Dun' matter."
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

MollyC,

"Maybe you're referring to WIn 7 Home Basic"

Yes.

"which is only available in 'emerging markets'"

Not so, unless you'd consider Staples and Walmart to be "emerging markets". ;) Maybe your referring to starter edition(*)?

"but even that shoudl not have the limitation you describe. I've never used it, but such a limitation makes no sense. If that is indeed by design, then it is indeed horrible policy by MS wrt that version of the OS."

Totally agree, it sucks. But...it is an incentive to upgrade for people who otherwise don't need more OS features.

* Edit: I see walmart sells Win7 Starter Edition in the US as well.

Edited 2012-03-03 22:09 UTC

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