Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 6th Mar 2012 23:27 UTC
Windows As you may have seen, David's been taking care of OSNews for a few days because I'm quite busy with work. Still, there's one thing I'd like to talk about: the desktop mode in Windows 8. I wish I could've added this to the first impressions article, but I only arrived at this conclusion yesterday: desktop mode in Windows 8 is Microsoft's equivalent of Mac OS X's Classic mode.
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RE: Bleh
by modmans2ndcoming on Wed 7th Mar 2012 01:44 UTC in reply to "Bleh"
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2005-11-09

It is great on laptops. It will be great for 24" and smaller screens. Mouse and Keyboard input is just as functional as touch. It isn't going anywhere.

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RE[2]: Bleh
by l3v1 on Wed 7th Mar 2012 06:57 in reply to "RE: Bleh"
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2005-07-06

It will be great for 24" and smaller screens.


Smaller? Maybe. 24? No, it isn't. It's quite annoying. Everything fullscreen on 1900x1200 is crazy and proper multitasking (I'm talking user, not OS - the latter is in itself another level of pain for metro apps) is a pain. Yet, most of those "people" everyone is talking about will probably go along with it, and happily. They always do.

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RE[3]: Bleh
by lucas_maximus on Wed 7th Mar 2012 13:23 in reply to "RE[2]: Bleh"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

What are you on about, Classic Apps can still be tiled like before.

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RE[3]: Bleh
by bassbeast on Fri 9th Mar 2012 02:17 in reply to "RE[2]: Bleh"
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2007-11-11

I would add I've shown it to nearly 200 customers now and NOT A SINGLE ONE liked the metro UI, not even when i let them play with the test unit. they ALL hated it. in fact the closest i got to a "compliment" for the "Metro way" was this exchange with a little old lady named Ms Pipkin:

"Why that's a nice looking cell phone screen, is that Android? i heard that it was quite nice....what do you mean its Windows? Windows what? why that's just stupid! why would I want a cell phone for my computer?"

And from the mouths of the average consumer, wisdom. lets be honest folks, and cut the BS...Metro is a Cell phone UI made to compete with iOS and Android, you know this, i know this, does anyone truly believe that if iPhone and Android hadn't pimp slapped Microsoft around we'd be looking at this on a desktop? Of course not.

So lets call a spade a spade. Ballmer is scared to death because everything they've tried in mobile has been a giant flop, winMo, kin, winPhone, so he is throwing a Hail Mary in the hopes he can prove developers are stupid and he can trick them into developing for WinARM. There is a REASON why he's pushing metro folks, the same tech you use to make metro apps will let them run on WinARM and that is ALL he cares about because PC sales are dropping (I'd argue they aren't dropping because people are switching but because PCs have been "good enough" for years now but that's another story) and he figures he has enough of a lock on the desktop he can just throw it under a bus and people will take it.

But obviously the man has forgotten about Vista and what a debacle that was. my prediction is that users will NOT take Metro on non touch UI devices, which of course is the vast majority of desktops and laptops and this in turn will cause the OEMs to demand downgrade rights like with Vista. Win 8 might sell a few tablets but will otherwise be pretty much a flop, and if we are lucky Ballmer will be canned and one of the office guys brought in to right the ship. I can see what they are trying to do but its the wrong way and just the flip side of making winMo look like a tinyXP and just as full of fail. they should spin off their mobile so they can truly innovate without the "legacy" of Windows and lock in on their backs but going about it this way will just make Win 8 another Vista.

I'm just glad I've switched the last of my users onto Win 7 so we can just ride this one out like we did vista. Good luck Microsoft, you're gonna need it.

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RE[2]: Bleh
by r_a_trip on Wed 7th Mar 2012 13:25 in reply to "RE: Bleh"
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2005-07-06

It is great on laptops. It will be great for 24" and smaller screens. Mouse and Keyboard input is just as functional as touch. It isn't going anywhere.

Yeah we know you are the flagbearer for Metro because of your comments in the various Windows 8 threads. Good for you if you like it.

It's just a pity for all the people who dislike Metro that MS thinks they can make this horrid thing the new paradigm for the next 2 decades. There are enough things to say about metro that aren't positive.

For one, the colors are garish. I don't know which "designer" brought in the fingerpaints of his three year olds for inspiration, but if they don't change the color palet of it, then Windows XP might be forced to relinquish the title of "Fisher-Price interface".

Further on the look of it, it is sooooooo horribly flat. It's nice that MS is dogfooding MS Paint for their designs, but come on. Flat, oversized blocks on an endless strip of "paper", scrollable from left to right is not innovative design.

When it comes to working the thing. Task switching is painful (with a lot of mousing) or mostly non-discoverable (keyboard shortcuts, which mere mortals never use). All menu entries float in an endless sea and it is not at all efficient to find stuff in there and with every new application installed, it only gets worse. Never mind the slapped in "legacy desktop, which sticks out as a sore thumb in the whole paradigm.

Metro is different, but for me it is absolutely not compelling. I'm not a Windows user, but until the advent of Metro, I always kept the option of switching to Windows open. It wasn't likely, but it was an open option. with Metro that option is definitely off the list.

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RE[3]: Bleh
by phoenix on Thu 8th Mar 2012 22:08 in reply to "RE[2]: Bleh"
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2005-07-11

My biggest issue with Windows Vista, then 7, and now 8 is the move toward text everywhere.

For instance, on XP, the Control Panel is a nice window full of icons that represent the area to be configured. Then in Vista (and even moreso in 7) they removed the icons by default, and just splattered a bunch of text links on the screen. Even is you switch it to Large Icons, you still have to click on these tiny little text links.

More and more of the interface is going to text only, which works okay on tiny screens where you don't have enough pixels or dpi to show nice graphical icons everywhere (although Android and iOS do just fine with 45 pixel high icons). But on a 10", 15", 20"+ monitor? Clicking on 12pt text is hard, especially compared to a 32x32 icon.

And Metro makes it even worse by putting little text strings into giant empty squares everywhere.

The point of a GUI is that it's GRAPHICAL. Why the big push for text?

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