Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 7th Mar 2012 22:59 UTC
Apple And it was that time of the year again - Apple held one of its product announcements. This one focussed on the iPad mostly, and while some will call it a disappointment merely because virtually everything had already been leaked, I'm still in awe over the fact the newly announced iPad has a 2048x1536 display. My mind is blown.
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RE[2]: Still Crippled.
by bornagainenguin on Thu 8th Mar 2012 03:54 UTC in reply to "RE: Still Crippled."
bornagainenguin
Member since:
2005-08-07

WorknMan replied...

You can sync stuff wirelessly if you want. Plus, with some apps (like AVPlayer and GoodReader), you can set up an http and/or ftp server to beam your files over, no iTunes required.


I don't want to have to use special apps, I want to use the apps the manufacturer included and optimized for the device. I also don't want to have to use any ludicrous workarounds to use the device.

It comes with iTunes. Why can't I use the iTunes it comes with to get my podcasts? Isn't that what the app does? Isn't that how you're supposed to get podcasts in the Apple ecosystem, from within iTunes?

Why do I have to use an external iTunes to download and then copy over the podcast when the device is capable of getting it and storing it all within itself. Is the iPad a computer or not?

WorknMan posted...
Trust me, I hate iTunes, and the syncing with iOS5 is not as horrible as I thought it would be ;)


Actually I don't mind iTunes so much as I mind syncing itself. To me it just seems like a 90s era technology that made a lot of sense for PDAs, made some sense for music players, made a bit of sense for phones, but makes no sense for a tablet computer. If it is a "real" computer (and having the complete iLife suite seems to imply it is) then why do I need yet another computer to make it work?

--bornagainpenguin

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RE[3]: Still Crippled.
by WorknMan on Thu 8th Mar 2012 05:26 in reply to "RE[2]: Still Crippled."
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

Why do I have to use an external iTunes to download and then copy over the podcast when the device is capable of getting it and storing it all within itself. Is the iPad a computer or not?


Sorry, I misunderstood you. If you want to listen to podcasts on your iPad, there are several podcasts apps available on the iPad that will download the podcasts straight to your device. You don't need to use a 'traditional' PC for that.

If it is a "real" computer (and having the complete iLife suite seems to imply it is) then why do I need yet another computer to make it work?


Well, this is not a 'real' computer in the traditional sense. It does not replace a 'traditional' PC anymore than a bicycle replaces a car (although it CAN for some people. That's not what it is designed for.

That being said, you don't NEED a computer to use this. The only time I've had to interface with my PC is for file transfers. If you want to get a file from a PC to a tablet, you're obviously going to need a PC, unless you use Dropbox or something. As for app syncing and stuff, you can do all that in the cloud if you want.

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RE[4]: Still Crippled.
by bornagainenguin on Thu 8th Mar 2012 16:41 in reply to "RE[3]: Still Crippled."
bornagainenguin Member since:
2005-08-07

WorknMan posted...

Sorry, I misunderstood you.


It's alright--my fault entirely. I noticed when I got back to the post that I'd skipped a word and it made the rest of the post come out wonky.

WorknMan posted...
If you want to listen to podcasts on your iPad, there are several podcasts apps available on the iPad that will download the podcasts straight to your device. You don't need to use a 'traditional' PC for that.


Well there are video podcasts too, so not everything is intended to be listened to. The point is there is an iTunes included with the device, why can it not do its most basic function and get my shows?

Telling me to use a workaround (yes, telling me to use other apps to duplicate the missing features qualifies as a workaround in my opinion) doesn't help--it breaks the whole Apple experience where things are supposed to just work. Worse it leaves me with a worthless app taking up space that cannot be removed from the system!

Never mind that as with all workarounds, Apple can break the functionality of those apps willy-nilly at any time.

WorknMan posted...
If it is a "real" computer (and having the complete iLife suite seems to imply it is) then why do I need yet another computer to make it work?

Well, this is not a 'real' computer in the traditional sense. It does not replace a 'traditional' PC anymore than a bicycle replaces a car (although it CAN for some people. That's not what it is designed for.


Tell that to people like my father in his late fifties, who considers the iPad to be his Personal Computer. Tell that to whomever it was that wrote Tim Cook's speech littered with references to the post-PC era. And really, in the analogy you chose, this is more akin to trying to replace a car with a motorcycle that has had the engine disabled. You get the appearance of something fast and with advantages that a car does not have--only it has been artificially prevented from being true competition to the car.

WorknMan posted...
That being said, you don't NEED a computer to use this. The only time I've had to interface with my PC is for file transfers. If you want to get a file from a PC to a tablet, you're obviously going to need a PC, unless you use Dropbox or something. As for app syncing and stuff, you can do all that in the cloud if you want.


App syncing has improved tremendously. I really like the ability to do operating system upgrades directly on the device. These are improvements I'm happy to see Apple making, I just don't think they go far enough to liberate the iPad from the PC.

WorknMan posted...
Awesome! Now tell me how do you add your podcasts to the iPad without connecting it to another computer, using only the software that came with it from Apple?

http://lifehacker.com/5855050/the-best-podcast-manager-for-iphone

That also works for iPad. Do you want to disqualify it just because it doesn't come from Apple?


When it comes to basic functionality from a company that prides itself on its "offering the whole widget" approach to computing? You're damn right I do.

This is not about the large numbers of apps in the Apple App Store--this is about basic functionality and an inability to abandon 90s era paradigms that no longer make sense. (Or if I wanted to be spiteful, I'd say this is about Apple guarding their lucrative laptop market and protecting it from being eaten away by the iPad...but I'd like to think the company a little more forward thinking than that...)

--bornagainpenguin

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RE[3]: Still Crippled.
by kristoph on Sat 10th Mar 2012 05:45 in reply to "RE[2]: Still Crippled."
kristoph Member since:
2006-01-01

Why can't I use the iTunes it comes with to get my podcasts? Isn't that what the app does?


iTunes app > More > Podcasts

Is that what your looking for? Glad to be of help. Any other issues?

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RE[4]: Still Crippled.
by phoenix on Mon 12th Mar 2012 17:41 in reply to "RE[3]: Still Crippled."
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

Does that allow you to search for, download, setup automatic series downloads, and save podcasts for later playing? All without connecting to a computer running iTunes?

That's what the OP is asking for.

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