Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 7th Mar 2012 22:59 UTC
Apple And it was that time of the year again - Apple held one of its product announcements. This one focussed on the iPad mostly, and while some will call it a disappointment merely because virtually everything had already been leaked, I'm still in awe over the fact the newly announced iPad has a 2048x1536 display. My mind is blown.
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RE[7]: Still Crippled.
by nefer on Fri 9th Mar 2012 17:28 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Still Crippled."
nefer
Member since:
2012-02-15

Not everyone wants a 3G\4G account with a carrier (and the stupidity that is bandwidth caps) or will be in a place that always has WiFi.


Saying you want a Post-PC device without access to a wireless network is like saying you want a Graphical desktop without a mouse. Wireless, be it 3G, 4G or mobile, is an inherent part of the Post-PC experience.

Post-PC is NOT just about a smartphone. Its about a whole set of technologies and services that are finely attuned to and complement eachother to provide the whole widget. You either go for that widget or you don't. You can't be both on the bus and not on the bus. You can't have it both ways and complain afterwards it doesn't work properly.

Edited 2012-03-09 17:29 UTC

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RE[8]: Still Crippled.
by bornagainenguin on Fri 9th Mar 2012 20:19 in reply to "RE[7]: Still Crippled."
bornagainenguin Member since:
2005-08-07

nefer posted...

Not everyone wants a 3G\4G account with a carrier (and the stupidity that is bandwidth caps) or will be in a place that always has WiFi.

Saying you want a Post-PC device without access to a wireless network is like saying you want a Graphical desktop without a mouse. Wireless, be it 3G, 4G or mobile, is an inherent part of the Post-PC experience.


Are you being deliberately obtuse?

All I meant by the mention of 3G\4G and WiFi not always being available was that streaming is not always an answer, nor is iCloud a substitute for having the media on the device itself.

Of course I want WiFi or some other kind of internet connectivity on my tablet. Not everywhere I go has WiFi though. Nor does everywhere I go have a good 3G connection let alone a 4G signal! I'm not speaking in hypotheticals here either, I know what I'm talking about.

The area I live AT&T is unable to provide more than EDGE connectivity! Personally that makes it useless to do anything beyond simple text and images...kind of like being on dialup. Sure there are other options in the area--I use Sprint myself--and several friends swear by Verizon. My Dad and Mom are sticking with AT&T despite the crappy EDGE connection in town because they think the free mobile to mobile minutes are worth it, and they can use their WiFi at home any way.

I'm sure our area isn't the only one with this kind of situation. Funny thing is once they get about ten miles out of town suddenly they get a g
So what happens when theyreat signal, full 3G... Go figure.

But if they were forced to rely on that EDGE connection to get their podcasts, they'd still be downloading days later. And even then--if AT&T ever added 3G\4G support to our area, they'd still be up against the bandwidth cap. How many podcast episodes do you think it'd take before they hit 2GB? Considering the average episode size of just ONE of their shows is 199MB, and the producer releases one five times a week...yeah.

So obviously WiFi is the way to go. That's not the issue. The issue is why should we have to connect the iPad to another computer to have their subscription work?

I'm not asking to be free from the WiFi, I'm asking why do we need to tether this "post-PC" internet tablet to the desktop? I'm asking for the chain to be taken off the device, for Apple to stop clipping its wings. The tablet is connected to the internet, let it connect that way on its own, without the need for some third party machine or application to get in the way.

nefer posted...
Post-PC is NOT just about a smartphone. Its about a whole set of technologies and services that are finely attuned to and complement each other to provide the whole widget. You either go for that widget or you don't. You can't be both on the bus and not on the bus. You can't have it both ways and complain afterwards it doesn't work properly.


This straw man argument is getting tiring. No one is talking about smartphones here, the discussion is about the unnecessary crippling of the iPad while pushing it as a Post-PC device. My contention is that by forcing customers into an unnatural 90s era paradigm where they have to sync their iPads to a "real computer" to get their podcast subscriptions Apple is not providing the whole widget.

The digital hub of this decade is the iPad, not the desktop. Apple needs to let the iPad take its place, not hobble it in effort to maintain the last decade's digital hub. They have converged almost everything that once connected to the Macintosh into one device--the iPad, and did a great job of it--but if they don't get out of their own way they're going to lose everything.

--bornagainpenguin

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RE[9]: Still Crippled.
by nefer on Fri 9th Mar 2012 22:20 in reply to "RE[8]: Still Crippled."
nefer Member since:
2012-02-15

Who's being obtuse?

1. You are presented with good reasons why the default applications shipped with a device do not provide the functionality you are used to on the previous platform paradigm.

2. You are presented with third party applications which present your broken previous-paradigm use case for you.

Yet you go on and whine it should be in the default installed applications. I don't think it has a place there, and apparantly, neither does Apple.

The Macintosh didn't come with a builtin VT emulator either. That didn't stop other companies from providing them. Arguing Apple should have shipped them to provide "on-par" functionality with Mini computer terminals is just besides the point. The PC was a new paradigm. New paradigms have different methods and solutions to a certain problem. Projecting your old solution to a new paradigm and saying its crippled because its omitted in a newer system is just a daft thing to do.

Automatic subscriptions for podcasts on a Post PC device is just a plain dumb idea. You said it yourself, contrary to computers, network access varies from location. Network access is also prone to drop. There's no telling what line you will be on at what point in time. Theres no way for the app to know that. Having podcasts subscribed in the background can lead to all kinds of undesired results, leading to partially downloaded files, corrupted and omitted data and files loading slow on slow networks, clogging up the little bandwith you have when its least desired, just to name a few. It just makes much more sense to download them consciously, so at least you know there's a transfer going on, and you can initiate it when there's time for it. Or having a central repository download it for you and stream/sync wirelessly when appropriate. Which is kinda doing the same thing twice anyway with the benefit of having stuff centrally.

Bottom line : Podcast subscriptions on post-pc devices are a dumb idea. You're just doing it wrong.

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RE[8]: Still Crippled.
by phoenix on Fri 9th Mar 2012 22:09 in reply to "RE[7]: Still Crippled."
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

He's saying he won't always be around an Internet connection, but would still like to be able to listen to podcasts on the iPad. IOW, the podcasts would be pre-loaded while near an Internet connection, for listening later when not near an Internet connection.

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