Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 7th Mar 2012 22:59 UTC
Apple And it was that time of the year again - Apple held one of its product announcements. This one focussed on the iPad mostly, and while some will call it a disappointment merely because virtually everything had already been leaked, I'm still in awe over the fact the newly announced iPad has a 2048x1536 display. My mind is blown.
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RE[10]: Not interesting
by Moochman on Sat 10th Mar 2012 02:47 UTC in reply to "RE[9]: Not interesting"
Moochman
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2005-07-06

I routinely use 4 or 5 different programs that all operate on raster graphics files. Each one is different and has different capabilities - I need all of them at one time or another. Sure, I can work with these apps in a document-centric fashion on Windows - it supports it just fine, very well in fact. But I still have to tell it which app I want to run when I right-click the file, because it can't read my mind. At that point the paradigm is no longer transparent (and in fact illustrates that it can't be transparent, unless you always have a 1:1 relationship between application and file type).


You are arguing against your own point here. Your workflow on Windows is *exactly* the kind of thing that iOS prohibits. Because I can't just create a raster file in one app on iOS, and expect that another app that handles raster files will have any idea that that file even exists! So basically iOS encourages a kind of app lock-in where once you start using a particular app, that's *the only* way to work on those files. It's like it used to be with vendor-locked-in file formats, except now it's not even possible for another app to import/export those file formats, if the original app author doesn't want them to. Just the thing for Apple to prevent people from switching away from their platform, by getting them locked into Apple-only software (iWork, iLife, etc)...

Apple's already been going in this direction for years -- iTunes and iPhoto by default insist on organizing your files for themselves, in the process making such a mess of the folder heirarchy that you are pretty much stuck with using those programs (on a Mac of course) into the foreseeable future, and incidentally making it a huge PITA to do the simplest things like *copy a bunch of photos or an album to a USB drive*. I use these apps with the "organize for me" turned off for just this reason. At least there is still that option. On iOS there is no equivalent.

We have taken it for granted for years now that it's easy to just "give" people our data, without any middle man cloud service or what-have-you. It used to be called a floppy disk, then a CD, then a USB thumbdrive. But this simple concept--easily being able to copy and share hard data files with others--is being steadily eroded by iOS and its ilk. If I want to grab some data from a friend, with a laptop it used to be easy. Open up Explorer or Finder, Copy, Paste. Now with "the post PC era" there is no simple way to ask people to do such things.

No sir, I don't like it. I want to have permanent, future-proof access to my data, not have it be locked up in some application (or cloud service) that may cease to exist 10 years down the road. I want to be able to share my files with others on a one-to-one basis without depending on some corporation to give me the privilege and keep backups of these things for me. I don't want to be reliant on any large corporation just to get at files, files which represent my life, my thoughts, music, art, photographic memories, blood sweat and tears. Certainly not on Apple, nor on anyone else.

Edited 2012-03-10 03:00 UTC

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RE[11]: Not interesting
by galvanash on Sat 10th Mar 2012 03:03 in reply to "RE[10]: Not interesting"
galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25

You are arguing against your own point here. Your workflow on Windows is *exactly* the kind of thing that iOS prohibits.


Again - I know that. I'm not arguing that iOS does this "right". Go back and read my posts... I'm arguing that application centric UIs do not and should not need centralized file management.

Just because iOS gets it wrong does not invalidate the premise, and simply adding a file manager does not fix the problems with iOS - it's problems are self inflicted and have nothing to do with the absence of a file management UI.

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RE[12]: Not interesting
by Moochman on Sat 10th Mar 2012 03:37 in reply to "RE[11]: Not interesting"
Moochman Member since:
2005-07-06

Just because iOS gets it wrong does not invalidate the premise, and simply adding a file manager does not fix the problems with iOS - it's problems are self inflicted and have nothing to do with the absence of a file management UI.


Well, we're speaking the same language now. But the thing is, the two do go hand in hand to some degree--because file management is the common interface to the world outside the device. And the fact remains, on Android I can just plug my phone into a USB port on any computer (using an industry standard cable no less), and copy data this way and that to my heart's content. All because it has a file hierarchy that I can see. Is that so awful? Is it so wrong to offer a file manager, even if that's not the *primary* or *recommended* way that things are done on the system? And what might you suggest as a solution to this "backwards compatibility" problem, without offering file management capabilities? Hmm??

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