Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 14th Mar 2012 19:37 UTC
Internet & Networking Ever since it became clear that Google was not going to push WebM as hard as they should have, the day would come that Mozilla would be forced to abandon its ideals because the large technology companies don't care about an open, unencumbered web. No decision has been made just yet, but Mozilla is taking its first strides to adding support for the native H.264 codecs installed on users' mobile systems. See it as a thank you to Mozilla for all they've done for the web.
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RE: Whatevs.
by ephracis on Wed 14th Mar 2012 20:28 UTC in reply to "Whatevs."
ephracis
Member since:
2007-09-23

With Apple and Google behind x264, it's not going to be little guys suffering.

Yes it will be.

I can't make a browser without paying a license or use the OS supplied codecs.
I can't make an OS.

Did you know that the world's largest server OS today started out as a hobby project? Without funding. Couldn't happen if all browsers need to get licensed codecs from the OS.

I'm a small indie developer without any cash in the bank. I can't continue my work if I will be required to start produce shitloads of money just to get the right to give you my free, open source, in-the-free-time-made software.

</rant>

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RE[2]: Whatevs.
by BluenoseJake on Wed 14th Mar 2012 22:27 in reply to "RE: Whatevs."
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

If apple and MS distribute the codecs with their respective OSes, then they have paid the licensing fees, therefore the little guy is protected, just like with DVD codecs.

This has the nasty side effect of leaving alternative OSes out in the cold, but that is less than 5%, so even in that case, most of the little guys are protected.

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RE[3]: Whatevs.
by ephracis on Wed 14th Mar 2012 22:35 in reply to "RE[2]: Whatevs."
ephracis Member since:
2007-09-23

Fun fact, did you know that both Mac OS and Windows once had a 5% share on desktop computers?

By limiting the ability to create a desktop OS to those who can cough up a bucket of money we are limiting future innovations.

Apple started in a garage. Just sayin'.

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RE[3]: Whatevs.
by lemur2 on Wed 14th Mar 2012 22:47 in reply to "RE[2]: Whatevs."
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

If apple and MS distribute the codecs with their respective OSes, then they have paid the licensing fees, therefore the little guy is protected, just like with DVD codecs.

This has the nasty side effect of leaving alternative OSes out in the cold, but that is less than 5%, so even in that case, most of the little guys are protected.


Au contraire, "the little guy" who wants to write an alternative OS and to include codecs for VP8 and Ogg has licenses to do so from the list of companies here:

http://www.webm-ccl.org/members/

and also this list excluding Sony and Philips:

http://www.openinventionnetwork.com/licensees.php

Between them, that is a lot of patents licensed (for no cost) to anyone who wants to write and build their own OS. Easily enough "inventions" therein to do so.

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RE[2]: Whatevs.
by Neolander on Thu 15th Mar 2012 07:32 in reply to "RE: Whatevs."
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Must... resist... urge to abuse admin powers and click +1 buttons several times... UGH !

That's some serious burst of comment inspiration you have today, sir ;)

Edited 2012-03-15 07:37 UTC

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RE[2]: Whatevs.
by tomcat on Thu 15th Mar 2012 22:44 in reply to "RE: Whatevs."
tomcat Member since:
2006-01-06

can't make a browser without paying a license or use the OS supplied codecs.
I can't make an OS.


BS. Little guys don't [credibly] make browsers or OSes nowadays. They may want to -- but they're not successful without serious funding.

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RE[3]: Whatevs.
by WereCatf on Fri 16th Mar 2012 09:18 in reply to "RE[2]: Whatevs."
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

BS. Little guys don't [credibly] make browsers or OSes nowadays. They may want to -- but they're not successful without serious funding.


Of course not, buying all the licenses and patents is too expensive.

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RE[3]: Whatevs.
by Lennie on Fri 16th Mar 2012 10:40 in reply to "RE[2]: Whatevs."
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

That is just not true, just look at all the people creating Linux distros and ReactOS and so on.

Do you really think they will pay for a H.264 license so they can distribute those codecs with their software ?

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