Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 15th Mar 2012 22:06 UTC
Legal "If you download potentially copyrighted software, videos or music, your Internet service provider has been watching, and they're coming for you. Specifically, they're coming for you on Thursday, July 12. That's the date when the nation's largest ISPs will all voluntarily implement a new anti-piracy plan that will engage network operators in the largest digital spying scheme in history, and see some users' bandwidth completely cut off until they sign an agreement saying they will not download copyrighted materials." One day, years from now, historians are going to debate whether this was the point of no return.
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Warnings
by WorknMan on Thu 15th Mar 2012 23:13 UTC
WorknMan
Member since:
2005-11-13

I think the warnings are a good idea in theory; it's just the ISP letting you know that "Hey, somebody is downloading copyrighted content from your IP address." At least then if you really are innocent/didn't know what you were doing, it's better than your first warning being a lawsuit from the content industry. On the other hand, I would hope that they'd give you at least one warning before throttling your bandwidth.

As for ISPs spying on you, unless you're using some sort of encryption, everything you do online is public anyway. It's like going to a shopping mall and bitching that there's security cameras watching you.

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RE: Warnings
by Lennie on Thu 15th Mar 2012 23:18 in reply to "Warnings"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

Actually, I do bitch about the security cameras, not so much on private property, but mostly in public, like in the streets.

For me it is a reason not to go to London for example.

It is a matter of principle.

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RE: Warnings
by Soulbender on Fri 16th Mar 2012 03:45 in reply to "Warnings"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

"Hey, somebody is downloading copyrighted content from your IP address."


It's not illegal to download copyrighted material, it all depends on the license of that material.
The logistics for figuring out if what you're downloading is illegal and violating someone's copyright is rather involving, at the ISP level.
* They'll have to capture enough packets to find out exactly what it is.
* They'll have to find out what license this material is under.
* They'll have to find out if you're allowed to download this or not. For example, maybe you purchased a legal copy that is distributed via BitTorrent.

Of course, they'll probably just wing it and do something like considering all torrent downloads illegal.

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RE[2]: Warnings
by Alfman on Fri 16th Mar 2012 06:43 in reply to "RE: Warnings"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

I'm not sure what level of invasiveness they'll be allowed to use. It may be "only" monitoring traffic passively. (I say "only" here with great hesitation, can't believe we're living through an age when corporate spying on private communications is legal and acceptable). If it is passive, then encryption will be 100% safe against it.

On the other hand, if they're going to add participating nodes and tamper with packets to perform man in the middle attacks, then unauthenticated P2P encryption is useless since a client cannot know whether it's communicating to a real peer or the ISP's spy proxy. To resolve this, peers would need to authenticate using out of band (non-p2p) mechanisms. Conceivably centralized services could provide that authentication, but then there'd be little stopping the spies themselves from being authenticated.

On the other hand, tor proxies and the like do provide plausible deniability. I do wonder if tor users will have their internet service shut down on account of third party activities? If so, people using tor for perfectly legal private communications might be effectively prohibited keeping their traffic private in the future.

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RE[2]: Warnings
by static666 on Fri 16th Mar 2012 16:41 in reply to "RE: Warnings"
static666 Member since:
2006-06-09

* They'll have to capture enough packets to find out exactly what it is.

Indeed, it can be pretty tricky to operate on individual packets. But every torrent and individual files in it have a hash advertised together by client, which is guaranteed to be rather unique. And probably, together with a couple of chunks of copyrighted data downloaded from users computer, can be enough to prove something beyond reasonable doubt or at least grant a search warrant, for example.
* They'll have to find out what license this material is under.

They probably will focus on top torrents and newly released material.
* They'll have to find out if you're allowed to download this or not. For example, maybe you purchased a legal copy that is distributed via BitTorrent.

Not, if it is a CAM or TS downloaded well before actual release to the public.

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RE: Warnings
by OSNevvs on Fri 16th Mar 2012 07:12 in reply to "Warnings"
OSNevvs Member since:
2009-08-20

This was to be expected. And this is coming to Yourope as well. Countdown has started. Time to download all you want before this summer!

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