Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 15th Mar 2012 22:06 UTC
Legal "If you download potentially copyrighted software, videos or music, your Internet service provider has been watching, and they're coming for you. Specifically, they're coming for you on Thursday, July 12. That's the date when the nation's largest ISPs will all voluntarily implement a new anti-piracy plan that will engage network operators in the largest digital spying scheme in history, and see some users' bandwidth completely cut off until they sign an agreement saying they will not download copyrighted materials." One day, years from now, historians are going to debate whether this was the point of no return.
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ISP monitoring
by Neolander on Fri 16th Mar 2012 06:49 UTC
Neolander
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2010-03-08

Ah, looks like some ugly mutant offspring of Hadopi hatched elsewhere...

I still think that internet monitoring at the ISP level, especially using IP addresses, is a huge mistake, be it only from a technical point of view. Nontechnical users can't and shouldn't have to make sure that their wi-fi routers are only accessed by them, whereas IP addresses are trivial to spoof.

Around here, most older ISP-provided routers were set up to use WEP encryption (cracked) and MAC filtering (cracked) as a default. Many users never touched those defaults, and do not even know what is WEP and what's wrong with it. In these circumstances, how could they be annoyed and prosecuted about what goes through their router ?

Edited 2012-03-16 06:55 UTC

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RE: ISP monitoring
by moondevil on Fri 16th Mar 2012 07:35 in reply to "ISP monitoring"
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2005-07-08

In Germany you are accountable for letting other people use your router.

If you are not able to do it technically, you should arrange for a company to do it for you. Then is the company responsible for what might happen.

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RE[2]: ISP monitoring
by static666 on Fri 16th Mar 2012 16:26 in reply to "RE: ISP monitoring"
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2006-06-09

In Soviet Russia you're accountable for your neighbour using his router. :-)

And it is partly true, I remember.

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RE[2]: ISP monitoring
by Neolander on Fri 16th Mar 2012 17:53 in reply to "RE: ISP monitoring"
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2010-03-08

In Germany you are accountable for letting other people use your router.

If you are not able to do it technically, you should arrange for a company to do it for you. Then is the company responsible for what might happen.

Well, same in France since Hadopi. I was arguing in this post that the law is wrong on this front.

Nothing surprising, though, when you see who backed it (english subs) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4LofqPCQew

Edited 2012-03-16 17:54 UTC

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RE[2]: ISP monitoring
by zima on Tue 20th Mar 2012 13:50 in reply to "RE: ISP monitoring"
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2005-07-06

In Germany you are accountable for letting other people use your router.

If you are not able to do it technically, you should arrange for a company to do it for you. Then is the company responsible for what might happen.

Are FON users covered like that? FON seems to be mighty popular in DE, judging from their maps...

edit: Or at least that was the case few years ago. Checking it now ( http://maps.fon.com/en ), DE looks relatively unremarkable (its hotspot density was certainly much more impressive than present PL, at least something like Netherlands now), hm.

Edited 2012-03-20 13:58 UTC

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