Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 19th Mar 2012 22:48 UTC
Windows "Microsoft will finish work on Windows 8 this summer, setting the stage for personal computers and tablets with the operating system to go on sale around October, according to people with knowledge of the schedule." Judging by the community preview, they've got a lot of work yet to do, like, you know, actually making it usable on non-touch devices. What I'm tying to say - pretty aggressive release schedule.
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lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

For instance, you power on, boot, and see a pretty picture on the screen with the time and weather. That's it. No login button. No indication that you need to click'n drag to move this lock screen out of the way. No indication that pressing a key on the keyboard will move this screen. Just a pretty picture and a clock.


Sorry took me all of 5 seconds to figure out ... I just started typing (which is exactly what you do on 7).

So you move that out of the way and login. What are you presented with? A screen full of various-sized, multi-coloured boxes with tiny text inside describing the name of the app. No indication that you can start typing to search. No indication that you can scroll the screen horizontally by scrolling vertically with the mouse. No indication that the corners of the screen do special things. No hints of any kind about anything. And no real organisation to anything either.


FFS, this really annoys me instead of a start menu which I have to really concentrate on, which is a small area on one of my screens. I get a whole screen ... easier for me to see.

Metro Start bar works exactly the same as Windows 7. Start typing and you it does a search.

By some fluke you move the mouse to the right side of the screen and this wierd strip of icons (aka charms) appear. One of them is settings. But it's not settings like a Control Panel that groups all the settings for everything together in one spot. No, it's only settings for the app currently running. So how the hell do you get to the control panel to configure things like networking?


I have to agree with this ... I am still a little confused to get to these things.


So, you click on a tile in the start screen and an app starts full screen. Okay, so how you interact with the damned thing? How do you get back to the start screen? How do you resize the thing to not be fullscreen? How do you move it around the screen? Again, there's no indication anywhere onscreen for these things. No title bar, no window borders, no maximise/restore button. In fact, no window management at all.


Comon, by now you must know that the Win Key always brings up "START".

So, how is this "intuitive" or "easy"? It's just different for the sake of different, and doesn't work with a mouse worth beans.


I don't have problems.

Most people that have been complaining are those that were complaining the moment they saw the start screen.

Also Restaurant Menus in real life happen to "go full screen" as well and nobody has any problems understanding those.

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maccouch Member since:
2012-03-14

dude, you really should get out of GeekVille for a moment...

Do you do the usual tech support for friends and family? if you do, try to put yourself on their shoes for a moment and try to use windows 8 as if in their mind. The useless login screen without no indication whatsoever would be enough for me to get a call from them asking me how to use their new laptop. (If they didn't just went to the store to complain it was "broken". )

Windows 8 might be a heaven for geeks (which i don't think it is but i admit i haven't played more than a couple of hours with it) but for the common joe, the guy that uses Computers as a TOOL (instead of a toy as we do), it's a useless plane crash.

It's just not usable for regular persons. Specially the ones that still have trouble figuring out the "old / sane windows interface". And you want them to start using a OS that hides everything from the screen and somehow expects them to discover them.

It will be a bloodbath. Seriously. You want to make money with microsoft? short-sell their stock...

by the way, if you have an hour to spend watch these videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4boTbv9_nU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeeOkHjV7nM

they are "mind-clearing".

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Any change of UI will have some people confused. Most of Windows is based on "Muscle Memory" and repetition.

The same complaints were made about the Ribbon in Office 2007. The same complaints could be made about PhotoShop that has drastically changed it UI quite a few times in 10 years.

People struggled for years with the Start Menu and the concept of "files". Should the start menu and files not exists because of these normal people?

If you change something there will be Churn, people complain about the Facebook UI changing. People complaining about Instant Search on Google etc etc etc.

I am sorry by the start screen is pretty much like an android launcher or iPhone launcher ... and if my Dad can figure those out I am pretty sure other people can figure out the start screen.

People will always bitch and moan about change. In 10 years time when Microsoft unveil some 3d interface for holographic displays or the version 1 of LCARS (they aren't far off by the way if you do some googling) ...

people will bitch an moan and talk about how their 15 year old Win32 app won't work right ... there will be videos of idiots having problems with it because they are unwilling to change the mental model of how it fits together.

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phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

Re-read my post. It has nothing to do with "what you should already know", and everything to do with "there's no indication anywhere of what you should do".

IOW, there's no discoverability. If you were to sit someone down who hadn't used Windows before, they'd be stuck. If you were to sit someone down who'd never used a tablet of any kind before, they'd be stuck.

With the "classic desktop" of pre-Win7, there's a big "START" button on the screen, that kind of draws you toward clicking on it in order to "start" doing things. That's gone in the "classic desktop" of Win8.

With the login screen of previous systems, there were either big hints (Press CTRL+ALT+DEL to Login) or big icons on the screen for you click on, with words explaining what to do. With Win8, it's just a clock. No hints. No explanations. No icons. Just a clock.

With the Start menu in Vista/7, there's at least a hint that you can start typing to find things. With the Start screen in 8, there's nothing of the sort.

That's what I'm talking about. Lack of discoverability or hints of what to do, what things do, in the interface. The worst is the "four corners" things, as there's absolutely no way to know that without reading about it online. No little super-imposed icons. No little text hints anywhere. No little bubbles popping up like in XP. Nothing. You're just supposed to know that you can hover the mouse in the corners to make things happen.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Just mashing the keyboard gives results with the start screen.

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dragossh Member since:
2008-12-16

With the "classic desktop" of pre-Win7, there's a big "START" button on the screen, that kind of draws you toward clicking on it in order to "start" doing things. That's gone in the "classic desktop" of Win8.

Actually the start label has been gone since Vista. An orb with the product logo isn't intuitive. It seems that way because we're familiar with the UI.

With the login screen of previous systems, there were either big hints (Press CTRL+ALT+DEL to Login) or big icons on the screen for you click on, with words explaining what to do. With Win8, it's just a clock. No hints. No explanations. No icons. Just a clock.

Tablets.

With the Start menu in Vista/7, there's at least a hint that you can start typing to find things. With the Start screen in 8, there's nothing of the sort.

Because you can use the Search function or type to search like in Vista and 7.

No little super-imposed icons. No little text hints anywhere. No little bubbles popping up like in XP.

Well, at least it doesn't SCREAM and lets me actually work now :-)

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