Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 20th Mar 2012 22:47 UTC
Linux "If you meet Linus Torvalds, he comes off as a mild-mannered, down-to-earth Finnish-American. He lives with his wife Tove, three kids, a cat, a dog, a snake, a goldfish, a bunny and a pet rat in a comfortable 6000 square foot home just north of Portland's tony Lake Oswego neighborhood. The house is yellow - his favorite color - and so's the Mercedes. But he's not really like any of his neighbors. He drives his Mercedes fast, slamming the car into gear and flooring it. There's no coaxing, no hesitation. Either the hammer is down, or the car is at rest. And he has an abnormal number of stuffed penguins on his mantle." Yup, sounds like the to-the-point Fin we all know and love.
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I like Linus
by WorknMan on Tue 20th Mar 2012 23:02 UTC
WorknMan
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2005-11-13

I like Linus. He seems much more pragmatic about things than Stallman. In other words, I get the impression that he sees computers and software more as tools, rather than a religion.

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RE: I like Linus
by kwan_e on Tue 20th Mar 2012 23:38 in reply to "I like Linus"
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2007-02-18

He seems much more pragmatic about things than Stallman.


Everyone says Stallman is religious, but I don't think everyone has thought it through at all.

The GPL, for example, acknowledges the fact that people would like to be rewarded for their work, so it requires people give source code back. If people don't like it, then they don't use GPL code in their own code.

BSD apologists, on the other hand, are willing to sacrifice actual freedoms in return for an ideological freedom. And if ideological freedom is not religious then I don't know what is. The pragmatic Linus Torvalds chooses to remain with the GPL for pragmatic reasons.

Who is REALLY religious in the open source world are people like Theo de Raadt. And even then, given the security work that comes out of that, I say that's not a bad thing. In this case, being religious about standards of work delivers results.

Not to mention that Stallman's predictions about our rights being taken away are widely acknowledged to be happening. People are being denied to right to read or see videos or listen to music on their own terms.

I've come to the conclusion that anyone who says Stallman is "religious" or "ideological" haven't actually thought things through at all, but rather following popular opinion because it's fashionable.

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v RE[2]: I like Linus
by lucas_maximus on Wed 21st Mar 2012 00:07 in reply to "RE: I like Linus"
RE[2]: I like Linus
by BluenoseJake on Wed 21st Mar 2012 14:13 in reply to "RE: I like Linus"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

BSD apologists? Really? I don't even know what to say, other than perhaps OSS would make some more inroads into consumer computing if the different factions would just realize that the goal is the same, even if the license is not.

You sounds pretty religious yourself.

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RE: I like Linus
by Lennie on Wed 21st Mar 2012 00:22 in reply to "I like Linus"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

Stallman strong believes have done a lot of the world.

Without it, Linux wouldn't exist in it's current form.

Just as an example gcc. It might not produce the best performing code. But it does produce code for a lot of architectures.

Do you think NetBSD would be available on that many platforms without gcc ?

I doubt Creative Commons would have even existed without his ideas.

Just see how many Creative Commons works there are just on Flickr alone: http://www.flickr.com/creativecommons/

Without Creative Commons Wikipedia might not exist either.

Those are some of the things that popped into my head, I'm sure there are better examples.

It seems to me even Thom had to change his mind:

http://www.osnews.com/story/25469/Richard_Stallman_Was_Right_All_Al...

People complain about articles about patents on OSNews, maybe without Stallman it would have been even worse.

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RE[2]: I like Linus
by WorknMan on Wed 21st Mar 2012 00:57 in reply to "RE: I like Linus"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

Stallman strong believes have done a lot of the world.

Without it, Linux wouldn't exist in it's current form.

Just as an example gcc. It might not produce the best performing code. But it does produce code for a lot of architectures.


Stallman's strong beliefs haven't done shit for the world. Stallman (and his followers) wrote a lot of code and then gave it away, and THAT did a lot for the world. Linus did the same thing as Stallman, but doesn't have the same religious beliefs. In other words, if we'd have had more CODE from the FSF and less religion over the years from them, they'd probably have gotten a lot further than they are now.

Even some of the most religious fanatics have done good works, but that doesn't say anything about the validity of their religion. If a bunch of Christians (or Muslims) set up and run a homeless shelter, does that mean their god is real?

People complain about articles about patents on OSNews, maybe without Stallman it would have been even worse.


What does patents have to do with software licenses? Especially since even open source projects like Android are getting sued for patent violations. That is a COMPLETELY separate issue. Just because somebody patents 'slide to unlock' and sues over it doesn't mean the world needs to stop using non-free software.

Edited 2012-03-21 00:59 UTC

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RE[2]: I like Linus
by demetrioussharpe on Wed 21st Mar 2012 05:11 in reply to "RE: I like Linus"
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2009-01-09

Do you think NetBSD would be available on that many platforms without gcc ?


In short, yes.

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