Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 21st Mar 2012 23:54 UTC
Games As I made very clear in my thorough review of Mass Effect 2, I'm a huge BioWare fan. This relationship got very, very cloudy when BioWare released Dragon Age II, a rush job with no story and atrocious gameplay. Mass Effect 3 looked like redemption - until I hit the terrible, terrible ending. The criticism of the ending has been so immense and consistent, BioWare is contemplating changing it. Of course, this story is riddled with spoilers, so be warned.
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RE[2]: My take on Bioware
by cfgr on Thu 22nd Mar 2012 13:19 UTC in reply to "RE: My take on Bioware"
cfgr
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2009-07-18

Sure an unhappy ending is fine, but make it a choice just like in the second game. If you want to go badass, you can. If you want to go pope-style, you can. In the 3rd game however, it's the same ending no matter what you do. That was one of the things I liked most about ME2. Your decisions mattered and you could work towards the ending you wanted.

Mind you, that doesn't imply that the pure paragon path is the road to a happy victory. It would be nice to see some renegade options leading toward success while paragon would be too weak and ineffective in the same situations (and vice versa).

There are plenty of good ideas with interesting plotlines but I think Bioware had to make it to the deadline and rushed the ending through giving a less than satisfactory result. It certainly ruined the replay value for me, knowing that no matter what quests you did, how much effort you put into it and what decisions you take, everyone dies the same way anyway.


Edit. Woops, replied to the parent post instead, sorry ;)

Edited 2012-03-22 13:20 UTC

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RE[3]: My take on Bioware
by cyrilleberger on Fri 23rd Mar 2012 11:20 in reply to "RE[2]: My take on Bioware"
cyrilleberger Member since:
2006-02-01

Sure an unhappy ending is fine

I bet most people are just upset of not seeing Shepard and Liara surrounded by lot of little blue children ;)

but make it a choice just like in the second game. If you want to go badass, you can. If you want to go pope-style, you can. In the 3rd game however, it's the same ending no matter what you do.


The same ? Really ? Tell that to the Geth, since they either die or survive. You have basically three choices: kill the synthetics, control them or merge the synthetics with the organics. How exactly is that the same choice ? And how exactly isn't it more choices than ME2 ? Where you only had two choices: destroy or not destroy the base.

And all of those three endings have different variations depending on your actions in ME3, depending on how much time you invest in the game (like ME2, I guess, where your crew would only survive if you do all the side quests).

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RE[4]: My take on Bioware
by cfgr on Fri 23rd Mar 2012 13:14 in reply to "RE[3]: My take on Bioware"
cfgr Member since:
2009-07-18

I bet most people are just upset of not seeing Shepard and Liara surrounded by lot of little blue children ;)


Haha, likely.

"Same" in the sense that the universe is fubar'ed anyway. All the effort you had put into bringing enemies together and ending ancient wars, it's all undone no matter which colour you pick at the end. Everyone dies or is about to die. You may have saved everyone only to get them killed when the relays explode.

It would be like a journey in the Lord of the Rings where mankind has pushed its limits through great courage and just barely won all those battles along the way, only to get all of middle earth whiped out by a supervolcano in which Frodo tossed the ring. (Although part of me would find that hilarious, but that's because I really dislike Frodo ;) )

So yeah, you may have plenty of ways to win, but your victory is entirely irrelevant.

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RE[4]: My take on Bioware
by vault on Fri 23rd Mar 2012 15:41 in reply to "RE[3]: My take on Bioware"
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2005-09-15

And all of those three endings have different variations depending on your actions in ME3, depending on how much time you invest in the game (like ME2, I guess, where your crew would only survive if you do all the side quests).


Variations, really? You mean those five-second-long differences in the final CGI animations that you won't even notice unless you compare them side by side?

*SPOILERS* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPelM2hwhJA

Fact of the matter is, your war assets don't matter at all unless you want to headcanon your own ending after the animation. This is a lazy design.

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RE[4]: My take on Bioware
by Yagami on Sat 24th Mar 2012 05:46 in reply to "RE[3]: My take on Bioware"
Yagami Member since:
2006-07-15

"Sure an unhappy ending is fine

I bet most people are just upset of not seeing Shepard and Liara surrounded by lot of little blue children ;)
"

What ?? Miranda is the true love of The Sheppard ;)

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