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Hardware, Embedded Systems For years and years now (since the first G4 iBooks), whenever someone asked me for advice about what laptop to buy, my standard answer was simple: get an Apple laptop. Doesn't matter which one. Apple was so far ahead of the competition it just wasn't funny anymore. This past weekend, though, marked the end of an era for me: for the first time, I advised someone to get an Asus ZenBook instead.
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satsujinka
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2010-03-11

But that applies to the other point as well. Both claims are at best skewed by personal experience and at worst wrong.

To make this clear, being able to find something on ebay doesn't mean that most people are selling that item. It simply means that some people are.

At the moment there are 18000 used laptops up for sale on ebay. There's probably double that on craigslist and about as many on Amazon. All told there might be in the neighborhood of 100,000 used laptops on sale.

In Q4 of 2011 120.2 million laptops were shipped. If we assume that by the end of the week all 100,000 used laptops are bought and another 100,000 are put of for sale (and this repeats itself) there will be roughly 1.3 million used laptops on the market this quarter. Which is approximately 10x less then the number of new laptops sold Q4 2011.

Given that estimate, I think it's fair to conclude that only about 1/10th of all consumer laptops are resold, thus it makes far more sense to claim that most people do not care about resale value than to claim most people do.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/03/canalys-more-smartphones-than-pc...

Edited 2012-03-28 00:43 UTC

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satsujinka Member since:
2010-03-11

meant to say that used laptops are probably around 13 million per quarter not 1.3...

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tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

But that applies to the other point as well. Both claims are at best skewed* by personal experience and at worst wrong.


I did not claim either of you were incorrect or otherwise, I was simply pointing out that your perception may be limited given how plenty of people do in fact sell their used equipment, e.g. some corporate purchase orders have resell value as a consideration parameter.

For example, I know plenty of people who purchase Apple HW because they assume its resale value will subsidize their next purchase/replacement. Does that meant every person buying a laptop cares about resale value? No.


* I assume that explains your exercise in comparing apples (global laptop sales) to oranges (a couple US-Based re-sellers) ;-)

Edited 2012-03-28 01:28 UTC

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satsujinka Member since:
2010-03-11

"But that applies to the other point as well. Both claims are at best skewed* by personal experience and at worst wrong.


I did not claim either of you were incorrect or otherwise, I was simply pointing out that your perception may be limited given how plenty of people do in fact sell their used equipment, e.g. some corporate purchase orders have resell value as a consideration parameter.

For example, I know plenty of people who purchase Apple HW because they assume its resale value will subsidize their next purchase/replacement. Does that meant every person buying a laptop cares about resale value? No.


* I assume that explains your exercise in comparing apples (global laptop sales) to oranges (a couple US-Based re-sellers) ;-)
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actually... They're both global figures. The USA only accounts for around 12% of that figure (if you want I can grab the link for that figure.) it is possible that the us is atypical but considering I'd have to be off by 5x the number of used laptops for my point, that most people don't consider laptop resale value, to be wrong.

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sergio Member since:
2005-07-06

People don't sell their laptops because they're disposable. But the Mac market is totally different. Macs are not disposable.

Apple hardware retains its value, that allows you to sell your laptop and update your hardware more often without losing money.

That's why I think a premium-price-PC is a very bad choice.

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satsujinka Member since:
2010-03-11

macs aren't disposable because apple has always encouraged (and been successful at it) a culture of constant turn over. So people get rid of perfectly good hardware, that others looking for a cheap computer that's "different" buy.

in a way, macs are even more disposable than pcs because you only keep your mac for a few years then get rid of it before it's antiquated (I will allow that apple has done a better job of squeezing performance from computers than Microsoft though.) where as with a pc, in my understanding, people run them til they die. And only sudden changes in income cause turn over of pcs.

of course, I'm obviously biased. The last mac I enjoyed using ran os 9...

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AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

Some PC brands retain value fine. High end Sonys and Thinkpads in particular. I got fine resale on a a Vaio P and on my old Vaio C1XD when I sold it, four or five years after I'd originally bought it second hand.

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