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RE[9]: Not so fast
by einr on Wed 28th Mar 2012 09:33 UTC in reply to "RE[8]: Not so fast"
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And you have chosen the worst examples

I've chosen very common apps, some of which I work in daily. Admittedly I don't use Log Viewer much, and I launched Paint because it was the first example of a ribbon UI I could think of -- but the point of showing those is that these are apps that are included with the OS and it is reasonable to assume that they should therefore adhere to Windows UI standards. If Microsoft does not care about its own standards, why should Adobe or Mozilla or anyone else?

You are using Office 2007, Office 2010 fits perfectly in with Windows 7 theme.

That is not an excuse. Applications that run on multiple OS versions should look like the host OS and adhere to its guidelines. They should not just look like whatever crap the app dev team feels like, or whatever the latest OS version looks like at their time of release.

Your only argument is the colours, not the fact that there are many of the same UI paradigms with the same look and feel across applications.

Nope. There are clearly different paradigms, too. Some apps have replaced menu bars with other systems, some haven't. Some have tool bars, some have ribbons, some have neither. There's functional, not just aesthetic discrepancy.

If you use on Linux GTK apps with XFCE, things looks good. If you have a dark theme, Eclipse looks like arse and pretty much anything that isn't GTK, because it won't pick up your theme.

I will agree that the look and feel split between GTK+ and QT is a problem. Not for me personally so much, as almost everything I use in Linux is GTK+ except VirtualBox and maybe something else that uses QT.

But sure, it is a problem and I don't think I've ever said that it's not. It used to be worse not long ago, though, when you had to consider GTK 1 vs 2, QT, Motif, TK, FLTK, Athena... At this point, there are only 2 major toolkits in use, and the major distributions are working to consolidate their user experiences into something coherent.

This is what pisses me off about Linux supporters, the dodge themeing on Windows is one of the very few problems of the OS

Yes, but it was one of the things you singled out as being bad about desktop Linux, so I wanted to demonstrate that the grass is not necessarily greener in Windowsland. Indeed, I think Windows 7 is mostly okay otherwise.

Lets not pretend that from my original post all the other points still stand.

I don't intend to argue those points, in my opinion they have varying degrees of validity but UI design is a favourite topic of mine so that is what I chose to focus on ;)

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RE[10]: Not so fast
by lucas_maximus on Wed 28th Mar 2012 17:47 in reply to "RE[9]: Not so fast"
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MSPAINT is not a commonly used application. Not is the Windows Log ... Might be common to you buy I certainly don't use it often.

The whole argument is bullshit.

The applications should looks like the host OS guidelines ... can't their ever be any progress or originality?

Most of the apps that you said at worst case has similar UI paradigms that were easily recognisable.

Concentrating on one of my complaints to a generic complaint that was aimed at someone that was saying "we will win eventually" ... oh well this is OSNEWS ... you can't say anything without a ton of bullshit coming your way.

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RE[11]: Not so fast
by eldarion on Wed 28th Mar 2012 20:13 in reply to "RE[10]: Not so fast"
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No! Not now, that i was following both argumentations with some interest!

So basically you are saying "ok, i'm out of arguments and will start saying carp out of my mouth". Good for you, i guess.

Edited 2012-03-28 20:14 UTC

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