Linked by Howard Fosdick on Fri 30th Mar 2012 20:33 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Two years ago, Linux guru Caitlyn Martin argued that "Ubuntu is a Poor Standard Bearer for Linux" due to reliability issues. She said that "Other distributions have problematic releases but other major distributions do not have significant problems in nearly every release. Ubuntu does." In her follow-up piece "How Canonical Can Do Ubuntu Right: It Isn't a Technical Problem," she explained how "...the problem I am describing is probably rooted in policy or business decisions that have been made..." and she offered specific ideas on how Canoncial could address the situation. Are these criticisms valid today? Does Ubuntu offer good reliability? Does it deserve its mindshare as the representative of PC Linux?
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Ubuntu works great for me
by mantrik00 on Sat 31st Mar 2012 01:03 UTC
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I have been using Ubuntu at home and Windows at office. Since, gradually, I'm shifting to cloud based apps, especially Google Apps, I use it mostly for accessing the internet with the Chrome browser. The combination is definitely faster than Windows and more stable. As a Windows user it was fairly easy for me to switch to Ubuntu since it is almost as user friendly as Windows with the added benefit of security.

This kind jealous rants from esoteric users of Linux can be ignored by vast majority of users. My suggestion to the people who come up with self inflicting blows is to "add more wood behind fewer arrows" and stop the infighting. Making Linux more popular should be their greater goal.

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RE: Ubuntu works great for me
by Alfman on Sat 31st Mar 2012 01:43 in reply to "Ubuntu works great for me"
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I am a linux advocate, but that doesn't mean it should not be criticized. I certainly hope Ubuntu takes these concerns seriously and works to improve itself. We mustn't ignore the problems if we want to make linux stronger.

I have a feeling that linux is going to have some great opportunities in the upcoming win8 saga, the last thing we need is a major linux distro giving off the appearance that it won't listen to its users. After all, that's likely to be a key motivation for users to leave MS behind.

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Dude Linux didn't gain when Vista was released and people HATED Vista, they just went back to XP. This time MSFT is already doing damage control by having raised the support cycle of Win 7 to 2020 for ALL versions and I have no doubt the very second an OEM balks they will be given downgrade rights, if they aren't all given downgrade rights at release time. MSFT learned with netbooks better to have them using your older cheaper OS than not using your product at all, and within 5 months Windows went from nothing to 90% on netbooks.

For Linux to actually have a shot at the masses then "free as in beer" simply has to die because linux has a serious "busted toilets" problem that the GPL just can't fix. you see to be a truly world class OS, one that can stand head to head with Windows and OSX, then there are a TON of really nasty thankless jobs that have to be done. most of the docs have to be thrown out and rewritten because as it is now you have a list of CLI commands with ZERO explanation if you are lucky, if not you have a "to do" placeholder. QA, regression testing, replacing the driver model so that what works in ubuntu Leapin Lizard doesn't puke and die in ubuntu Maniac Monkey, etc.

What nobody in the FOSS world seems to understand is human nature. Ask someone to write you a song, paint you a picture? You can get someone to do that for free because humans like to create, its enjoyable to us. now ask them to come clean that nasty overflowing toilet and watch as the job don't get done. When it comes to building an OS for every fun job you have 1000 that are about as pleasant as being the guy that cleans the puke at the Chuck E Cheese. Apple and MSFT pay hundreds of millions to get the toilets fixed, FOSS pays nothing so the toilets simply never get repaired, its just human nature.

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RE: Ubuntu works great for me
by weland on Sat 31st Mar 2012 09:36 in reply to "Ubuntu works great for me"
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Making Linux more popular should be their greater goal.

Don't get me wrong, I do wish Linux was more popular, but I prefer that to happen by adoption due to technical merits like reliability, stability and speed, not just by being a system that's about as good as others, only cheaper.

I do think Ubuntu has a problem in terms of reliability, or at least it does now. I've been watching (and sporadically using it) since version 4.10, and in the first two years or so, each release was mostly "better" than the other one -- in that things that didn't work in a previous version worked in the new one, and none of the things that worked in the previous one were broken.

This really isn't the case anymore, and unfortunately some of the bugs that slip in are very disturbing. The latest no-sound bug (which basically resulted in the system becoming entirely mute, at random) is like we're back to the early versions of aRts.

What I do like about them is that they are actually very keen on innovating. Even Unity is a good thing -- I don't use it (it's like a poor clone of WindowMaker to me) but it's one of the first Linux desktop projects in a long time that actually tried to explore some new UI solutions. What is definitely wrong about it is that, while being in testing, is pushed as the Ubuntu desktop.

IMO, I think they need a model where they can provide stable distributions that don't break anything from the previous one, while still having good vehicles for testing. Perhaps something like Debian's model would begin to work better now.

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