Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 7th Apr 2012 23:26 UTC
Mac OS X We don't normally report on security issues, especially not when they occur on Mac OS X. So far, the security issues on the Mac can barely be labelled as such, and really don't deserve a lot of attention. Now, however, it would appear we're looking at the first successful widespread malware infection on Mac OS X. Not a bad track record for an eleven year old operating system, by the way.
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RE: My thoughts...
by Alfman on Sun 8th Apr 2012 06:04 UTC in reply to "My thoughts..."
Alfman
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2011-01-28

leech,

"But this particular case is because of Java, which is a security crapfest in itself, even more so since Apple rolls their own."

You are correct, and some of the vulnerabilities against macs do seem to be third party related. Note though that apple was always eager in it's advertising to group together all malware under the "windows" umbrella regardless of whether microsoft windows was at fault or not.

Now, that view has some merit. We can recognize that the windows experience can be worse for end-users regardless of who is responsible for vulnerabilities. However in order to not be hypocrites, apple would have to admit that mac users are in fact affected by malware.

To be honest though, apple's portrayal of being impervious to malware is far more appalling (to me) than their security track record, which is still respectable in context. On the other hand, the fact that they deny any security risks is a disservice to the mac community who are ill prepared to cope when things like this inevitably happen.

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RE[2]: My thoughts...
by kwan_e on Sun 8th Apr 2012 06:16 in reply to "RE: My thoughts..."
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2007-02-18

Note though that apple was always eager in it's advertising to group together all malware under the "windows" umbrella regardless of whether microsoft windows was at fault or not.

Now, that view has some merit. We can recognize that the windows experience can be worse for end-users regardless of who is responsible for vulnerabilities. However in order to not be hypocrites, apple would have to admit that mac users are in fact affected by malware.


That's a good point.

Apple can't have it both ways, but Jobs knows they'll try.

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RE[2]: My thoughts...
by leech on Sun 8th Apr 2012 16:46 in reply to "RE: My thoughts..."
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2006-01-10

leech,

You are correct, and some of the vulnerabilities against macs do seem to be third party related. Note though that apple was always eager in it's advertising to group together all malware under the "windows" umbrella regardless of whether microsoft windows was at fault or not.

Now, that view has some merit. We can recognize that the windows experience can be worse for end-users regardless of who is responsible for vulnerabilities. However in order to not be hypocrites, apple would have to admit that mac users are in fact affected by malware.

To be honest though, apple's portrayal of being impervious to malware is far more appalling (to me) than their security track record, which is still respectable in context. On the other hand, the fact that they deny any security risks is a disservice to the mac community who are ill prepared to cope when things like this inevitably happen.


Yeah that was kind of my point, in that even though it technically was "Java's fault" which some Apple fans (of which I am the exact opposite, I hate Apple, and their products), it was inevitably Apple's fault anyhow 'cause they're not even using Oracle's Java.

It's like a double whammy for 'em. And for their users.

Reminds me of the one I read about where a Mac could act as the Mac authentication server and grab all of the login names and passwords on a network. I can't recall the exact specifics of that, but I was talking to my older brother (he's a jerk with a Mac) and he was saying "at least it's not Stuxnet." Yeah, Stuxnet affected a particular hardware platform, not just Windows (if I'm recalling correctly) but that's the gist of how Apple fans think.

'Oh, well aren't our faces red... but LOOK how much worse it is for Windows!!!' 'Yeah, but uhm, I've been asking you for years why you don't use Linux, especially since you work for a security firm?' 'Uhm, well my Mac will do all that and is secure...'

Well, this is the same guy (yeah my older brother...) that replied a long time ago when I asked him why he didn't use Linux, and he said he couldn't get his printer working... of course I had to ask which model..

It was an HP! They have probably the best Linux support out there... I just shook my head and walked away.

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