Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 9th Apr 2012 14:38 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless "Windows Phone is fighting an uphill battle. Microsoft still has work to do in terms of user experience and the big hardware partners like HTC and Samsung are starting to lose interest and putting in only token efforts. But Nokia is keeping the platform in the conversation. We're not willing to consign Windows Phone to the same level of hopelessness as the open-source webOS or the out-to-pasture BB OS precisely because Nokia is too big and too active a partner." Having a big partner is by no means a guarantee. Microsoft is doing whatever it can - both legal and should-not-be-legal - to get people to buy Windows Phone, and it isn't working. A brand only gets you so far - you need a compelling product, too, and as much as I like Windows Phone, it's just not there yet compared to iOS and Android.
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RE: Doomed
by gonzo on Mon 9th Apr 2012 15:56 UTC in reply to "Doomed"
gonzo
Member since:
2005-11-10

That's not true. I use Windows because I like it.

IIS? Check. Apache? Check. Photoshop? Check. Visual Studio? Check. MySQL? Check. SQL Server? Check. Games? Check. MS Office? Check.

All popular apps, apps that matter, are there. No other OS gives you that.

Edited 2012-04-09 15:58 UTC

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RE[2]: Doomed
by jared_wilkes on Mon 9th Apr 2012 16:10 in reply to "RE: Doomed"
jared_wilkes Member since:
2011-04-25

You listed one app exclusive to Windows.

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RE[3]: Doomed
by gonzo on Mon 9th Apr 2012 16:21 in reply to "RE[2]: Doomed"
gonzo Member since:
2005-11-10

Which one? "Games"? :-) Or Visual Studio? Or SQL Server? IIS, perhaps?

Oh, you want more?

IE? Check. Safari? Check. Chrome? Check. Firefox? Check. Opera? Check.

No virtual machine or some kind of emulator required.

Please.

Edited 2012-04-09 16:21 UTC

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RE[2]: Doomed
by reduz on Mon 9th Apr 2012 16:21 in reply to "RE: Doomed"
reduz Member since:
2006-02-25

You are not a prime example of a typical Windows user, please don't assume the rest of the world is like you.

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RE[3]: Doomed
by gonzo on Mon 9th Apr 2012 16:23 in reply to "RE[2]: Doomed"
gonzo Member since:
2005-11-10

You are the one making assumptions, pal. Joe Sixpack wants it all. Do not underestimate good ol' Joe.

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RE[2]: Doomed
by reduz on Mon 9th Apr 2012 16:26 in reply to "RE: Doomed"
reduz Member since:
2006-02-25

You still don't get it, if everyone was like you, Windows Phone would be a critical success.

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RE[3]: Doomed
by gonzo on Mon 9th Apr 2012 16:28 in reply to "RE[2]: Doomed"
gonzo Member since:
2005-11-10

Nope, I use Android phone (Samsung). Same reason: acceptable price and user experience, plenty of applications.

See, again you are making wrong assumptions.

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RE[2]: Doomed
by aligatro on Mon 9th Apr 2012 17:50 in reply to "RE: Doomed"
aligatro Member since:
2010-01-28

"That's not true. I use Windows because I like it.

IIS? Check. Apache? Check. Photoshop? Check. Visual Studio? Check. MySQL? Check. SQL Server? Check. Games? Check. MS Office? Check.

All popular apps, apps that matter, are there. No other OS gives you that. "

Who decides which of apps matter? You?

Apache, Photoshop, MySQL, Games(yes, games) and MS Office I can get those on Mac OS X. The only one I really miss is Visual Studio, but I use eclipse now, so it doesn't matter. Also, there is a way to install many opensource console and gui apps that are available for Linux. OS X has xserver and ssh client installed out of the box and I can easily run remote GUI applications on my server while controlling GUI on OS X.

Windows is a design mess compared to Mac OS X. Retarded and limited console, application files are stored all over the place when installed, registry, drive letters, need to inject new drivers/reinstall windows when moving to another hardware. No built-in and easy way to create full backup and then clone it to second partition. Idiotic analog of symlink that doesn't work with some applications properly.(IIS for example)

So, keep using your windows while I enjoy my unix-based hackintosh OS X. If mac hardware was the same price as pc hardware, Windows would probably no longer be dominant OS on the market. Unfortunately, Apple is a hardware company and get their profits from hardware.

Edited 2012-04-09 17:52 UTC

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RE[3]: Doomed
by gonzo on Mon 9th Apr 2012 19:34 in reply to "RE[2]: Doomed"
gonzo Member since:
2005-11-10

Who decides which of apps matter? You?


Why do you think people buy iPhone and Android and not WP7?

Could it be because of all those apps and games?

So, you can run Eclipse. I can run both Eclipse and Visual Studio. Or, I can run Safari, IE, Chrome, Firefox and Opera, easily, no emulator/VM needed. Can you?

It's that simple.

Retarded and limited console

Actually, PowerShell is great.

application files are stored all over the place when installed,


What?

registry,

What about it?

Since Vista, parts of registry are virtualized and stored in user's profile. Never had problems with registry. I know people run those optimizers, I never did, never had any problems.

drive letters,

Yes. So?

need to inject new drivers/reinstall windows when moving to another hardware.


Don't know about that, I moved recently to new desktop and all drivers were there, Windows 7 installed them for me.

But then, people usually just buy new computers with Windows pre-installed, all drivers are already there.

How often people move to new hardware anyway? Oh, please.

No built-in and easy way to create full backup and then clone it to second partition.


Are you serious?

Idiotic analog of symlink that doesn't work with some applications properly.(IIS for example)

Not sure what you mean? Care to explain?

Edited 2012-04-09 19:41 UTC

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RE[2]: Doomed
by WorknMan on Mon 9th Apr 2012 23:24 in reply to "RE: Doomed"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

IIS? Check. Apache? Check. Photoshop? Check. Visual Studio? Check. MySQL? Check. SQL Server? Check. Games? Check. MS Office? Check.

All popular apps, apps that matter, are there. No other OS gives you that.


Technically, you don't like Windows... you like what you can RUN on Windows ;) If you could run all those apps somewhere else, would you still be on Windows? I use Windows for the same reasons as you, but just different apps that I can't get anywhere else. But Windows itself is a POS, and I DON'T like it. I mean, it's usable, but I could think of at least a dozen different improvements that would make a HUGE difference.

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RE[3]: Doomed
by gonzo on Tue 10th Apr 2012 03:47 in reply to "RE[2]: Doomed"
gonzo Member since:
2005-11-10

Well.. yes, I agree.. to a certain degree: when I say "Windows" of course I am talking about the whole "ecosystem".

I probably would still pick Windows, here's why:

1) I know it well already. Would I switch to a different OS (given that I have all those apps available)? To what benefit precisely? So I have to spend my time trying to figure out how to have everything that I already have on Windows? What is the point?

2) It is WELL supported by hardware manufacturers (printers, scanners, etc, etc)

3) It lets me have similar environment at home and at work (I do realize this does not apply to everyone)

4) Windows 7 is VERY good when it comes to desktop experience: fast, stable, relatively secure. From what I see in Win 8 Consumer Preview, it's going to be even faster than Win 7. Right on. (No, I am not impressed with Metro, but at least it's bearable compared to all those let's-go-full-retard-on-user OSX shiny icons and animations. God.)

But Windows itself is a POS

No.

Edited 2012-04-10 03:52 UTC

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