Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 9th Apr 2012 14:38 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless "Windows Phone is fighting an uphill battle. Microsoft still has work to do in terms of user experience and the big hardware partners like HTC and Samsung are starting to lose interest and putting in only token efforts. But Nokia is keeping the platform in the conversation. We're not willing to consign Windows Phone to the same level of hopelessness as the open-source webOS or the out-to-pasture BB OS precisely because Nokia is too big and too active a partner." Having a big partner is by no means a guarantee. Microsoft is doing whatever it can - both legal and should-not-be-legal - to get people to buy Windows Phone, and it isn't working. A brand only gets you so far - you need a compelling product, too, and as much as I like Windows Phone, it's just not there yet compared to iOS and Android.
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RE[5]: Doomed
by gonzo on Tue 10th Apr 2012 04:17 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Doomed"
gonzo
Member since:
2005-11-10

I can run unix gnu software on my OS X. Can you run gnu software without Cygwin on Windows?


haha, GNU SOFTWARE :-) Please. Let's talk about software that matters.

Windows has it all. If it didn't it would not have ~85-90% desktop market share.

And oh yea it's my dream to use the worst browser on the market.(IE) I can easily run other browsers without "no emulator/VM needed".


Yes, but many people do web design, etc. Pages must be tested in IE.





What?


Some of the program is stored in program files. Other part could be somewhere in windows folder.

Some programs do that. Most don't. But, even so.. so what?

Most of them write into registry. Making it very hard to move to another computer without breaking it. On mac whole program is contained inside one(!) folder.

Yes, but people DO NOT move to different computers that often.


Part of the problem is what described above this question. "Most of them write into registry. Making it very hard to move to another computer without
breaking it"


Not an issue since people simply DO NOT move to different computers that often.


Also, should something happen to it, not only will you be required to reinstall programs again, you might also get un-bootable system.


Should something happen to it, you can use system restore. Restore points are created automatically, when any significat change to the system (drivers installed, software installed, Windows updates, etc) is taking place.

When everything is under root, it's much better approach than drive letters. Your whole system appears as if it was on one big drive, while in reality some folders point to other partitions.

Not an importan issue, again. But you can mount drives on Windows at different points too, you know?

On windows some programs force you to install most/full of the program to C drive.

Some programs... yeah, like those from 15 years ago, right? How many of them are still important?

And you can only only can only install operating system to one letter drive.

So? What is the problem there?


Don't know about OS X, but Linux can be installed on multiple partitions just fine, because it doesn't care about letters only paths.

Windows can be installed to multiple partitions too.

Can you type relative paths with drive letters? I bet you can't.


So? How is that important issue? It's not.

I very often get BSOD error when I move to new hardware. Sometimes it moves smoothly, but most of the time it doesn't. I upgrade computer parts about once every 1-3 years. I have 4 computers at home and when it's time to upgrade I also try to get rid of slowest pc.

I think you're just making stuff up. I used to upgrade all my hardware (except mainboard and CPU) very often too, never had any problems.

But.. how often do you upgrade Macs? Like, you change what video card, or mainboard...? Oh, really?

Also, sometimes I need to boot from harddrive from another pc. For example, when I need some program that is hard to move because of all settings and files.


I am not sure myself, but I think Windows too can be booted from external drives, even USB keys. Not sure though, haven't tried it. But I think it can, or it's coming to Win 8.

Again, over and over again you're talking about things that majority of people just don't do very often, if ever.

When I tried it, it simply didn't work.(files actually linked, but IIS failed to work) I needed to list files from symlinked folder into the webpage.

I haven't tried it and am too lazy to do it now, but even if it fails, then just copy your web folder to where it works. Easily solved problem. (Having said that, I'd have to confirm that symlinks in IIS don't work).

See, the problem is, not a single issue you listed is a deal breaker and you can EASILY work around it.

BUT when you *need* some specific software, software that is widely used (SQL Server or Mass Effect, for example) then it is a deal breaker if you can't have it without spending days to maybe make it work and when it finally does, then it breaks after 5 minutes, etc.

Edited 2012-04-10 04:20 UTC

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RE[6]: Doomed
by aligatro on Tue 10th Apr 2012 06:35 in reply to "RE[5]: Doomed"
aligatro Member since:
2010-01-28

If you don't care about those things I listed it doesn't mean that others don't care. Mac os x has enough commercial and non-commercial software for my needs. Most of the windows software is crapware and bloatware anyways.

"Yes, but many people do web design, etc. Pages must be tested in IE. "

Those who need it for their jobs use windows at work and whatever OS at home.

"Yes, but people DO NOT move to different computers that often. "
"Not an issue since people simply DO NOT move to different computers that often. "

Maybe you don't, but others do. It's a very nice design to keep whole program in one folder, as you can move it anywhere on partition, even different partition and it will not break.


"Should something happen to it, you can use system restore. Restore points are created automatically, when any significat change to the system (drivers installed, software installed, Windows updates, etc) is taking place. "

It doesn't make it excusable to have it poorly designed like that.

"Not an importan issue, again. But you can mount drives on Windows at different points too, you know? "

Your opinion doesn't make it unimportant.

"Windows can be installed to multiple partitions too. "

Not from the installer. And I am not talking about striping or raid setup.

"
I think you're just making stuff up. I used to upgrade all my hardware (except mainboard and CPU) very often too, never had any problems.

But.. how often do you upgrade Macs? Like, you change what video card, or mainboard...? Oh, really? "

1. I build my own pcs.
2. I never said I own Apple hardware. My OS X runs on pc hardware.
3. "(except mainboard and CPU)" That's exactly why you never had BSODs. I switch hard-drives between different pcs and usually upgrade motherboards and cpus.

"I am not sure myself, but I think Windows too can be booted from external drives, even USB keys. Not sure though, haven't tried it. But I think it can, or it's coming to Win 8. "

Yea, you would have to tweak it to make it work. While OS X just loads all drivers, so no need to tweak.


"BUT when you *need* some specific software, software that is widely used (SQL Server or Mass Effect, for example) then it is a deal breaker if you can't have it without spending days to maybe make it work and when it finally does, then it breaks after 5 minutes, etc. "

Why would anyone install SQL server on desktop version of windows? And there are other better cross-platform SQL servers than MS SQL. Those who need specific software either dual-boot or use emulator. I don't see a problem with using emulator to be honest. On my hardware it works almost as fast as native boot. Yes, it costs extra money if you want to have it legally, but it's not that big of a deal. And old windows licenses can be reused for emulator as long as they are not OEM.

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RE[7]: Doomed
by gonzo on Tue 10th Apr 2012 13:19 in reply to "RE[6]: Doomed"
gonzo Member since:
2005-11-10

Most of the windows software is crapware and bloatware anyways.

No.

Those who need it for their jobs use windows at work and whatever OS at home.

Most people use Windows at home.

Maybe you don't, but others do.

What others are you talking about, when Windows still hold like 85-90% of desktop market?

It doesn't make it excusable to have it poorly designed like that.

What is poorly designed? If there is a problem, you can restore system to earlier system restore point, those are created automatically.
Your opinion doesn't make it unimportant.

As I said, you can mount drives to any folders in Windows.. since Win 2000. It just shows that you don't know Windows.

Not from the installer.

What do you mean? Yes, you can pick a partition from installer.
Man, have you ever installed Windows actually?

That's exactly why you never had BSODs. I switch hard-drives between different pcs and usually upgrade motherboards and cpus.

You are in a minority. Very few people do that.

Yea, you would have to tweak it to make it work. While OS X just loads all drivers, so no need to tweak.

Again, you are minority. Very few people need that.

Why would anyone install SQL server on desktop version of windows?

So that they can do development?

Obviously, this is useless discussion. How can you even ask that question?

And there are other better cross-platform SQL servers than MS SQL.

Yeah, right..

I don't see a problem with using emulator to be honest. On my hardware it works almost as fast as native boot. Yes, it costs extra money if you want to have it legally, but it's not that big of a deal. And old windows licenses can be reused for emulator as long as they are not OEM.

Oh, it's not a problem except that it works slower, that it costs extra money and if it's inside VM, then effectively you have 2 systems to maintain and use..

Yeah, why would that be a big deal for anyone? :-) How about simply use Windows alone and everything works, natively, etc? Oh, yeah, can't do that, that makes sense, doesn't it?

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