Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 9th Apr 2012 14:38 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless "Windows Phone is fighting an uphill battle. Microsoft still has work to do in terms of user experience and the big hardware partners like HTC and Samsung are starting to lose interest and putting in only token efforts. But Nokia is keeping the platform in the conversation. We're not willing to consign Windows Phone to the same level of hopelessness as the open-source webOS or the out-to-pasture BB OS precisely because Nokia is too big and too active a partner." Having a big partner is by no means a guarantee. Microsoft is doing whatever it can - both legal and should-not-be-legal - to get people to buy Windows Phone, and it isn't working. A brand only gets you so far - you need a compelling product, too, and as much as I like Windows Phone, it's just not there yet compared to iOS and Android.
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RE[6]: Doomed
by aligatro on Tue 10th Apr 2012 06:35 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Doomed"
aligatro
Member since:
2010-01-28

If you don't care about those things I listed it doesn't mean that others don't care. Mac os x has enough commercial and non-commercial software for my needs. Most of the windows software is crapware and bloatware anyways.

"Yes, but many people do web design, etc. Pages must be tested in IE. "

Those who need it for their jobs use windows at work and whatever OS at home.

"Yes, but people DO NOT move to different computers that often. "
"Not an issue since people simply DO NOT move to different computers that often. "

Maybe you don't, but others do. It's a very nice design to keep whole program in one folder, as you can move it anywhere on partition, even different partition and it will not break.


"Should something happen to it, you can use system restore. Restore points are created automatically, when any significat change to the system (drivers installed, software installed, Windows updates, etc) is taking place. "

It doesn't make it excusable to have it poorly designed like that.

"Not an importan issue, again. But you can mount drives on Windows at different points too, you know? "

Your opinion doesn't make it unimportant.

"Windows can be installed to multiple partitions too. "

Not from the installer. And I am not talking about striping or raid setup.

"
I think you're just making stuff up. I used to upgrade all my hardware (except mainboard and CPU) very often too, never had any problems.

But.. how often do you upgrade Macs? Like, you change what video card, or mainboard...? Oh, really? "

1. I build my own pcs.
2. I never said I own Apple hardware. My OS X runs on pc hardware.
3. "(except mainboard and CPU)" That's exactly why you never had BSODs. I switch hard-drives between different pcs and usually upgrade motherboards and cpus.

"I am not sure myself, but I think Windows too can be booted from external drives, even USB keys. Not sure though, haven't tried it. But I think it can, or it's coming to Win 8. "

Yea, you would have to tweak it to make it work. While OS X just loads all drivers, so no need to tweak.


"BUT when you *need* some specific software, software that is widely used (SQL Server or Mass Effect, for example) then it is a deal breaker if you can't have it without spending days to maybe make it work and when it finally does, then it breaks after 5 minutes, etc. "

Why would anyone install SQL server on desktop version of windows? And there are other better cross-platform SQL servers than MS SQL. Those who need specific software either dual-boot or use emulator. I don't see a problem with using emulator to be honest. On my hardware it works almost as fast as native boot. Yes, it costs extra money if you want to have it legally, but it's not that big of a deal. And old windows licenses can be reused for emulator as long as they are not OEM.

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RE[7]: Doomed
by gonzo on Tue 10th Apr 2012 13:19 in reply to "RE[6]: Doomed"
gonzo Member since:
2005-11-10

Most of the windows software is crapware and bloatware anyways.

No.

Those who need it for their jobs use windows at work and whatever OS at home.

Most people use Windows at home.

Maybe you don't, but others do.

What others are you talking about, when Windows still hold like 85-90% of desktop market?

It doesn't make it excusable to have it poorly designed like that.

What is poorly designed? If there is a problem, you can restore system to earlier system restore point, those are created automatically.
Your opinion doesn't make it unimportant.

As I said, you can mount drives to any folders in Windows.. since Win 2000. It just shows that you don't know Windows.

Not from the installer.

What do you mean? Yes, you can pick a partition from installer.
Man, have you ever installed Windows actually?

That's exactly why you never had BSODs. I switch hard-drives between different pcs and usually upgrade motherboards and cpus.

You are in a minority. Very few people do that.

Yea, you would have to tweak it to make it work. While OS X just loads all drivers, so no need to tweak.

Again, you are minority. Very few people need that.

Why would anyone install SQL server on desktop version of windows?

So that they can do development?

Obviously, this is useless discussion. How can you even ask that question?

And there are other better cross-platform SQL servers than MS SQL.

Yeah, right..

I don't see a problem with using emulator to be honest. On my hardware it works almost as fast as native boot. Yes, it costs extra money if you want to have it legally, but it's not that big of a deal. And old windows licenses can be reused for emulator as long as they are not OEM.

Oh, it's not a problem except that it works slower, that it costs extra money and if it's inside VM, then effectively you have 2 systems to maintain and use..

Yeah, why would that be a big deal for anyone? :-) How about simply use Windows alone and everything works, natively, etc? Oh, yeah, can't do that, that makes sense, doesn't it?

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RE[8]: Doomed
by TemporalBeing on Tue 10th Apr 2012 15:41 in reply to "RE[7]: Doomed"
TemporalBeing Member since:
2007-08-22

"Most of the windows software is crapware and bloatware anyways.

No.
"

Actually it is.

"Those who need it for their jobs use windows at work and whatever OS at home.

Most people use Windows at home.
"

Only because they don't realize they have a choice. Given a choice and equal prices, people tend not to choose Windows unless they have a specific application that they need that not on the other platform.

"
Maybe you don't, but others do.

What others are you talking about, when Windows still hold like 85-90% of desktop market?
"

Only 85-90%? Use to 95% or better. It's slipping, and only going down.

In the end, it'll probably be a 3-way split between Linux, Apple, and Microsoft; but both Linux and Apple marketshare on the desktop is growing.

"It doesn't make it excusable to have it poorly designed like that.

What is poorly designed? If there is a problem, you can restore system to earlier system restore point, those are created automatically.
"

The Win32 API for one - haven't looked at WinRT yet, but I doubt they fixed some of major security issues that were present in Win32 (e.g. Handles and their use - it's kind of a gaping whole when another application can without your permission change the interface of your application.)

But so is the whole Program Files structure - or Program Files (x86) for 32-bit software under 64-bit Windows. The Windows Registry was a great concept, but poorly implemented and completely unmaintainable. The list goes on.

"Your opinion doesn't make it unimportant.

As I said, you can mount drives to any folders in Windows.. since Win 2000. It just shows that you don't know Windows.
"

Under Windows NT (of which XP, Vista, 7, and 8 are part of) yes, you could - but only if you used some very advanced tools to do so. Oh, and they don't let you use those tools on anything less than the Professional versions (at least for Vista and later).

"Not from the installer.

What do you mean? Yes, you can pick a partition from installer.
Man, have you ever installed Windows actually?
"

You cannot do what he is saying from the installer.

Yes, from the Windows installer you can choose which drive to install Windows to. But you cannot change where the Program Files, Program Files (x86). User Profiles, or other system directories go in the installer.

You have to move them after-the-fact, update the appropriate registry settings (if you know them, or know the tools to modify them), and then hope you don't have any applications that require those folders to be on C:\; and yes, there are many applications out there that are hard coded for Program Files to be C:\Program Files, and for the Windows Directory to be C:\Windows, or for the System32 directory to be C:\Windows\system32.

Comparatively, when installing Linux you get to setup how your drives relate during the OS installation - deciding which drive is the SWAP partition, what is root (/), what is /var, /usr, /usr/local, /home, etc. They can all be on the same drive, or on different drives/partitions; and you can do that for any directory in the file structure.

"That's exactly why you never had BSODs. I switch hard-drives between different pcs and usually upgrade motherboards and cpus.

You are in a minority. Very few people do that.
"

More do that than you realize; but I do agree - it's mostly the hardware extremists, and the people that are having broken computers fixed.

"Yea, you would have to tweak it to make it work. While OS X just loads all drivers, so no need to tweak.

Again, you are minority. Very few people need that.
"

Not so much. To get Windows to do a lot of things you have to tweak it for your use; though most people just pay BestBuy, etc to do it for them.

"Why would anyone install SQL server on desktop version of windows?

So that they can do development?

Obviously, this is useless discussion. How can you even ask that question?
"

Installing MS SQL Server on your desktop to do development only works for a very small usage of SQL Server. Any serious usage of SQL Server requires a dedicated server to host SQL Server.

"And there are other better cross-platform SQL servers than MS SQL.

Yeah, right..
"

SQL Server is not a very good database implementation. It's almost on par with Oracle; however, unless you are building a major database farm (and sometimes even then) neither Oracle or SQL Server are very good as they are too feature rich and bloated.

Postgres, MySQL, BerkleyDB, and many others will do 99% of database usage far better than SQL Server or Oracle.

"I don't see a problem with using emulator to be honest. On my hardware it works almost as fast as native boot. Yes, it costs extra money if you want to have it legally, but it's not that big of a deal. And old windows licenses can be reused for emulator as long as they are not OEM.

Oh, it's not a problem except that it works slower, that it costs extra money and if it's inside VM, then effectively you have 2 systems to maintain and use..

Yeah, why would that be a big deal for anyone? :-) How about simply use Windows alone and everything works, natively, etc? Oh, yeah, can't do that, that makes sense, doesn't it?
"

All my Windows development (yes, using Visual Studios) is now done under a Virtual Machine; and honestly, Windows runs better for me that way than it ever did as my host OS. For once, Visual Studios and Windows isn't having major performance issues.

I use Linux for everything else.

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