Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 11th Apr 2012 21:05 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless "Shares in Nokia plunged 17% after the mobile phone giant surprised investors by saying it expected to make losses in the first half of 2012. The Finnish company said competition in the industry had led to lower sales particularly in India, the Middle East, Africa and China. Nokia had previously expected to break even in the first quarter." And just when you thought it couldn't get any worse, the Lumia 900 is suffering from a software flaw, and the company has started offering $100 in compensation. Not a good start for such an important flagship device.
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RE[4]: Some context
by Nelson on Thu 12th Apr 2012 00:08 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Some context"
Nelson
Member since:
2005-11-29

"Do you think they'd be better off without Windows Phone? Keep in mind MSFTs financial support and subsidization of marketing.

Are you asking about Windows Phone, or Microsoft’s financial support?

I think WP was the wrong choice for them, Meego at the very least was a competent smart phone platform they already had. If you want to argue over ecosystem, neither WP or Meego had them so they both were starting from the same point. But even with Meego, Nokia were behind the times for a modern smart phone.

Dare I say that Nokia could have easily brought Android to their feature phone and smart phone ranges and be on their way this summer to be 2nd or 1st in Android phone makers.
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Fair enough. I don't know how practical Android was. I mean I can't fathom Google providing the raw cash infusions or advertising support MSFT does.

I also dont know if the margins on Android sales wold be as high as they are for Windows Phone. Being the WP7 "Savior" also affords them this elevated status which keeps them in the news. I think they and MSFT had a pretty mutually beneficial relationship.

I worry about had Nokia gone with Android their ability to be as nimble, Nokia reportedly worked very, very close with MSFT which likely led to faster to market times.

However, Android also brings many advantages like broader hardware and more mind share so you may have a point. I just find the android OEM market really cutthroat for the wounded Nokia, I mean even HTC is having trouble.

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RE[5]: Some context
by ThomasFuhringer on Thu 12th Apr 2012 07:58 in reply to "RE[4]: Some context"
ThomasFuhringer Member since:
2007-01-25

Android would not need the cash infusion that WP got from MSFT.
Only WP needs it because it is long dead in the water and being resucitated by billions of marketing dollars.

Only a fraction of that money might have given MeeGo the final polish it needed.

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RE[6]: Some context
by Nelson on Thu 12th Apr 2012 10:28 in reply to "RE[5]: Some context"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Android would not need the cash infusion that WP got from MSFT.
Only WP needs it because it is long dead in the water and being resucitated by billions of marketing dollars.

Only a fraction of that money might have given MeeGo the final polish it needed.


I was having a serious discussion with a serious person. Reconsider the value add of your post and try again.

People who still think MeeGo(which wasn't even MeeGo, it was Maemo with a new skin) had the ecosystem it needed to survive are inebriated. I know its what you wish happened, but it didn't. Get over it. Your year long grudge is beyond tiring.

Nokia was in dire financial straits, yet you argue them spending undeniably more money engineering their own concoction would've left them in a better position. Unbelievable.

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