Linked by Howard Fosdick on Fri 13th Apr 2012 20:21 UTC
In the News Six-month-old web site Codecademy claims you can learn programming through its online tutorials. The free modules on JavaScript are now available. The site also allows anyone to post their own programming courses. The site has good funding, but question is: can you really learn programming this way? One blogger enthuses that Codecademy's approach "looks like the future of learning to me," while another slams it saying "Seriously? Wow, bull**** badging and sh**ty pedagogy wins the day in ed-tech investing." What do you think?
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What do you think?
by l3v1 on Sat 14th Apr 2012 07:20 UTC
l3v1
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2005-07-06

I think, that looking back, I (actually that was a few of us kids) learned most of my basic coding knowledge by myself, before school or anything else. But, coding does not equal programming, and knowing programming languages does not equal programming knowledge and/or algorithm knowledge. Going further, basic algorithm knowledge does not equal knowing mathematical and numerical math knowledge, very necessary very frequently. And I could go further.

What I want to get to is, you can teach a programming language in a variety of ways, including online courses, but you can't teach how to code or program well in such a way. The ones who might argue otherwise, well, those are the ones I wouldn't hire to better programming jobs. They are the code monkeys, and they are a dime a dozen.

So what I think is, "the future of learning to program?" - no. It should be "learning programming languages" and be done with it.

All the fuss in recent years about trying to commoditize and undervalue real programming skills is a somewhat disturbing trend, the results of which are quite easy to see with the rise of ridiculously crappy software flooding people from everywhere you turn.

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RE: What do you think?
by Alfman on Sat 14th Apr 2012 08:23 in reply to "What do you think?"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

l3v1,

"...The ones who might argue otherwise, well, those are the ones I wouldn't hire to better programming jobs. They are the code monkeys, and they are a dime a dozen."

Do you realize how pompous that attitude is? If anyone has a different opinion on the matter, it must be because they're unqualified? Wow...where does such prejudice come from?

I happen to disagree with you, computer science and programming can be learned in the pursuit of a degree or on the job or at home, it doesn't matter as long as one has a strong commitment and desire to continue expanding one's understanding. There isn't just one path to becoming an expert.

Just because you can't learn at home, it doesn't mean others cannot. You see what I did? It is insulting to be brushed off as unqualified just because of a brazen assumption.

Moving on..

"All the fuss in recent years about trying to commoditize and undervalue real programming skills is a somewhat disturbing trend, the results of which are quite easy to see with the rise of ridiculously crappy software flooding people from everywhere you turn."

I won't deny this, I see it every day and dammit it pisses me off. Clients push so strongly to reduce costs that they turn a blind eye to how it is affecting their products. I compete in an industry where there's so little regard for quality that it has become difficult to make serious use of the skills I most take pride in having.

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RE[2]: What do you think?
by Loreia on Sat 14th Apr 2012 10:02 in reply to "RE: What do you think?"
Loreia Member since:
2012-01-17

What a great answer. In few short sentences, you summed up everything there is to say about the subject. I tried to mod you up, but don't see how. Instead, I'll make an effort and post my first comment here :-)

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