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l3v1,
"...The ones who might argue otherwise, well, those are the ones I wouldn't hire to better programming jobs. They are the code monkeys, and they are a dime a dozen."
Do you realize how pompous that attitude is? If anyone has a different opinion on the matter, it must be because they're unqualified? Wow...where does such prejudice come from?
I happen to disagree with you, computer science and programming can be learned in the pursuit of a degree or on the job or at home, it doesn't matter as long as one has a strong commitment and desire to continue expanding one's understanding. There isn't just one path to becoming an expert.
Just because you can't learn at home, it doesn't mean others cannot. You see what I did? It is insulting to be brushed off as unqualified just because of a brazen assumption.
Moving on..
"All the fuss in recent years about trying to commoditize and undervalue real programming skills is a somewhat disturbing trend, the results of which are quite easy to see with the rise of ridiculously crappy software flooding people from everywhere you turn."
I won't deny this, I see it every day and dammit it pisses me off. Clients push so strongly to reduce costs that they turn a blind eye to how it is affecting their products. I compete in an industry where there's so little regard for quality that it has become difficult to make serious use of the skills I most take pride in having.





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I think, that looking back, I (actually that was a few of us kids) learned most of my basic coding knowledge by myself, before school or anything else. But, coding does not equal programming, and knowing programming languages does not equal programming knowledge and/or algorithm knowledge. Going further, basic algorithm knowledge does not equal knowing mathematical and numerical math knowledge, very necessary very frequently. And I could go further.
What I want to get to is, you can teach a programming language in a variety of ways, including online courses, but you can't teach how to code or program well in such a way. The ones who might argue otherwise, well, those are the ones I wouldn't hire to better programming jobs. They are the code monkeys, and they are a dime a dozen.
So what I think is, "the future of learning to program?" - no. It should be "learning programming languages" and be done with it.
All the fuss in recent years about trying to commoditize and undervalue real programming skills is a somewhat disturbing trend, the results of which are quite easy to see with the rise of ridiculously crappy software flooding people from everywhere you turn.