Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 16th Apr 2012 08:26 UTC
Internet & Networking "The principles of openness and universal access that underpinned the creation of the internet three decades ago are under greater threat than ever, according to Google co-founder Sergey Brin. The threat to the freedom of the internet comes, he claims, from a combination of governments increasingly trying to control access and communication by their citizens, the entertainment industry's attempts to crack down on piracy, and the rise of 'restrictive' walled gardens such as Facebook and Apple, which tightly control what software can be released on their platforms." That governments - east and west - are trying to destroy the open web, that we know. As for Facebook and Apple... Well, all I know is that it is completely and utterly impossible to check what information Apple has about you. Unlike Google (more here) and to a lesser degree Facebook, Apple provides zero means to see, export, or delete the information they have on you, associated with your Apple ID or otherwise. In 2012, that's just sinister.
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It's not just sinister
by phoudoin on Mon 16th Apr 2012 09:44 UTC
phoudoin
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2006-06-09

Apple provides zero means to see, export, or delete the information they have on you, associated with your Apple ID or otherwise. In 2012, that's just sinister.


In some countries, it's not only sinister but it's also illegal. For instance in France per law any corporate or institution's database keeping personal data should offer free of charge a way for the person to consult or delete whatever personal information is kept in that database.

But, hey, by signing an Apple account, people would have read the small text at bottom regarding soul, selling and evil, right?!

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RE: It's not just sinister
by Kochise on Mon 16th Apr 2012 10:17 in reply to "It's not just sinister"
Kochise Member since:
2006-03-03

I'm always smiling how the worst dictatorship always name themselves as the more democratic country ever : Congo, Cuba, China, ...

And it reminds me the Apple's 1984 ad : we free yourself from big brother. Understand : we are worst than big brother !

Just to add a final touch : France, country of humans' rights, is a great democraty with a great freedom of speech. Search for LSI, LCEN, DADVSI, HADOPI, LOPPSI, ACTA to undestand what it means...

Kochise

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RE: It's not just sinister
by manjabes on Mon 16th Apr 2012 10:56 in reply to "It's not just sinister"
manjabes Member since:
2005-08-27

But, hey, by signing an Apple account, people would have read the small text at bottom regarding soul, selling and evil, right?!


Nope, according to a South Park episode, only the license to sew your mouth to another Apple-users <x>

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RE: It's not just sinister
by bouhko on Mon 16th Apr 2012 12:29 in reply to "It's not just sinister"
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2010-06-24

In some countries, it's not only sinister but it's also illegal. For instance in France per law any corporate or institution's database keeping personal data should offer free of charge a way for the person to consult or delete whatever personal information is kept in that database.


That's true, but the law doesn't say anything on how this service should be provided. So maybe someone should try to send a letter to Apple France and see what they do.

Edited 2012-04-16 12:30 UTC

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RE[2]: It's not just sinister
by phoudoin on Mon 16th Apr 2012 14:03 in reply to "RE: It's not just sinister"
phoudoin Member since:
2006-06-09

maybe someone should try to send a letter to Apple France and see what they do.

Indeed. But for obvious reason, I don't own an Apple account, so I'm not eligible to do that.

And I guess the ones who are read since there contract and find "I therefore agreed to lose my right to control my digital life" above their signature...

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RE: It's not just sinister
by Tony Swash on Mon 16th Apr 2012 17:09 in reply to "It's not just sinister"
Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

"Apple provides zero means to see, export, or delete the information they have on you, associated with your Apple ID or otherwise. In 2012, that's just sinister.


In some countries, it's not only sinister but it's also illegal. For instance in France per law any corporate or institution's database keeping personal data should offer free of charge a way for the person to consult or delete whatever personal information is kept in that database.

But, hey, by signing an Apple account, people would have read the small text at bottom regarding soul, selling and evil, right?!
"


Whose business model is based almost solely on collecting data about the behaviour of end users: Google or Apple?

What proportion of Apple's profits come from, or are strongly linked to, possessing data about end users?

What proportion of Google''s profits come from, or are strongly linked to, possessing data about end users?

Please let's get real around here. Google's business model does not work very well in the new mobile device world. Google should stop complaining and start innovating, start creating a business which (unlike Android) actually makes money in the mobile world. Personally I don't think they have a clue how to do that. If only they would stop whining that would be progress.

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cyrilleberger Member since:
2006-02-01

So if a company collect data on you, it is ok as long as they don't directly make money with that data ? And beside, they also mentioned Facebook, which has the same business model as google and as repeatedly try to claim they own your data and until recently did not have any ways to delete the account.

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RE[2]: It's not just sinister
by JAlexoid on Tue 17th Apr 2012 11:30 in reply to "RE: It's not just sinister"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

How about you actually read what Brin said, adress the points that he made and stop throwing your fanboi rage baselessly.

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RE[2]: It's not just sinister
by phoudoin on Wed 18th Apr 2012 14:37 in reply to "RE: It's not just sinister"
phoudoin Member since:
2006-06-09

In what way your point make invalid mine?
Mine is that the list of *all* personal data collected by Apple must (in some countries, maybe not your but at least mine), by law be accessible and, on demand, deleted.

I'm not saying that Google don't collect a lot (more, most probably) personal data. What I'm saying is that so far they don't refuse your right to access them and update/delete.

I fail to see how making a profit from mobile business instead of profiled advertizing change anything here. Collecting personal data comes with rights and duties. Nobody is above them.

Or should.

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