Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 16th Apr 2012 08:26 UTC
Internet & Networking "The principles of openness and universal access that underpinned the creation of the internet three decades ago are under greater threat than ever, according to Google co-founder Sergey Brin. The threat to the freedom of the internet comes, he claims, from a combination of governments increasingly trying to control access and communication by their citizens, the entertainment industry's attempts to crack down on piracy, and the rise of 'restrictive' walled gardens such as Facebook and Apple, which tightly control what software can be released on their platforms." That governments - east and west - are trying to destroy the open web, that we know. As for Facebook and Apple... Well, all I know is that it is completely and utterly impossible to check what information Apple has about you. Unlike Google (more here) and to a lesser degree Facebook, Apple provides zero means to see, export, or delete the information they have on you, associated with your Apple ID or otherwise. In 2012, that's just sinister.
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Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

Untill now i have seen no such behaviour from apple. nor any proofs of it. Again, not saying that i can't happen, just saying that, in the present, i don't think that is credible.


And the whole "info deletion" considering Google is rather suspicious to me.


So, you believe Apple on its blue eyes, but not Google? That's perfectly fine, of course, but you have to be incredibly naive to think that Apple does not use the data it has on its customers to extract more money from them.

That's not true. I did no enabling. The only thing i did do, was browsing the web and doing search on google.com WHILE logged in to my gmail account. Something that i actually never thought was "wrong".


You MUST have enabled it. Maybe you didn't know, did it accidentally, or whatever. But for older accounts, it was only enabled if you opted in. I never opted in, so it's disabled for me. For newer account, it was opt-out.

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maccouch Member since:
2012-03-14

i accept that somehow i might have do it accidentally but i seriously doubt it. I am, and always was, very concerned with my privacy, so that kind of option would have caught my eye.

You sure that you didn't also have your history logged in dashboard on some old gmail accounts?

I did a small search and found out this:

"Originally a separate Google Labs project, the My Search History has now been incorporated into Google’s Personalized Search. Log in with a Gmail or other Google account. As with Ask Jeeves, once a user is logged in, all Google searches are tracked. Google does offer a "pause" function that can stop the recording of search results without logging out."
http://www.infotoday.com/online/mar06/OnTheNet.shtml

the date of the article is march/april 2006.


About the pause logging option, never saw it. But i must admit i wasn't looking for it. As gmail and google search we're supposedly two different products i didn't anticipated their joining of data. Of course back then i didn't really understood how google made its money.


About i trusting apple more than google, it's not a matter of "trust" is simply a matter of understanding what their goal/source of profit is.

Google does its all of its money by datamining. Apples does it by selling products. Google wants to refine the data to you specifically. Apple probably only wants aggregated feedback from their products.

As such i trust apple more regarding my data because:
a) they don't make any money directly from it
b) they have no history of doing it.

I would also say that i trust (more or less) Microsoft int he same way. Until the whole bing/hotmail fiasco they had no interest in my data, just in selling me software. With hotmail/bingo i became a bit more concerned but as Microsoft is essentially a giant set of family-angry mini-organizations, i really don't care a lot. Basically i trust them more then google because they are incompetent.

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MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12


So, you believe Apple on its blue eyes, but not Google? That's perfectly fine, of course, but you have to be incredibly naive to think that Apple does not use the data it has on its customers to extract more money from them.


But if Google nukes your privacy and sells your data to anyone who wants it you don't mind?

Recently you liked the idea that Google linked all their databases so they could target you even better with ads, but you don't like it if Apple should use the data they have on you to, well, effectively tempts you to spend money?

It seems both want your money, expect Apple doesn't sell it to companies you have never heard about.

What if it becomes accepted that ads you are presented are targeted and embarrassing ads appear when you want to show someone something? You can't claim it's a random ad, because people wouldn't believe it. Surely all ads are tailor made.

Now from Apple I haven't received any 'offers' and my .mac/.me accounts are spam free (unlike my Gmail account). As I use Apple stuff a lot they should have my all figured out, but it doesn't seem I'm targeted for anything.

So it's strange you favor a proven privacy menace over a company you suspect/hope they do so too.

If one was asked before the rise of Google if it would be a good thing if there was one single company that tracks what you read, watch, see, hear,search, email, where you are, etc..., drives through your street and takes pictures of your house while sniffing your WiFi and they're even on mobile phones with mall ware issues... and sell what they find on you to anyone who pays for it... I'm sure many people wouldn't like this.

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JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

But if Google nukes your privacy and sells your data to anyone who wants it you don't mind?

If Google sells your data where can I buy it? Please do direct me to the portal where I, as an advertiser, can get phone numbers and emails of my visitors just to thank them for visiting.
(This is my canned response to the crap with words "sells your data")

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