Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 17th Apr 2012 09:40 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless European carriers are dissatisfied with the Nokia Lumia phones, Reuters has found out. According to the carriers, the Lumia phones are simply "not good enough" to compete with the iPhone and Android phones. Nobody comes into stores asking for windows phones, and one carrier executive said "if the Lumia with the same hardware came with Android in it and not Windows, it would be much easier to sell". Ouch.
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RE: Lazy carriers
by arpan on Tue 17th Apr 2012 11:48 UTC in reply to "Lazy carriers"
arpan
Member since:
2006-07-30

Why should the carriers try harder? If Nokia and Microsoft want to sell more phones, then it's up to them to try harder.

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RE[2]: Lazy carriers
by blue_fox on Tue 17th Apr 2012 12:58 in reply to "RE: Lazy carriers"
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2012-04-17

OK, up to a point I agree with you, it's up to the manufacturers to come up with a desirable & functional product.

In this specific case I think MS and Nokia have already delivered on their side of the bargain, the available phones seem at least competitive with similarly priced Android phones, so the carrier dissatisfaction just reads like corporate whining, they don't want to carry any burden of educating their staff and potential buyers about a newish platform, they would rather continue to sell bucketloads of Android phones with which people are familiar. Again, OK I suppose.

I'd just rather they did put some effort in and we ended up with 3 viable mobile platforms rather than 2.

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RE[3]: Lazy carriers
by Radio on Tue 17th Apr 2012 13:18 in reply to "RE[2]: Lazy carriers"
Radio Member since:
2009-06-20

Instead of reading tech blog pundits (Verge, Engadget, Techcrunch and whatnot), everybody should read a real specialist:
http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2011/12/dont-mess-with...

(Yes, this guy is completely biased and has a long-winded writing style, but he knows in-depth what he is talking about and he has the arguments to back his (strong) opinions.)

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RE[3]: Lazy carriers
by dsmogor on Wed 18th Apr 2012 13:26 in reply to "RE[2]: Lazy carriers"
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2005-09-01

There's nothing wrong with Lumia. WP7 is just ill suited for being for running a flagship phones, because WinCe doesn't (by design) support multiprocessing.
WP7 is an middle end featurephone like os at best. If SElop wasn't blinded by MS KoolAid running in his veins he would have predicted it and toned down his Windows strategy until WP8 is ready, heavily promoting PlanB MeeGo devices (N9, N950) for a year already.
The fact is with WP7 Nokia has nothing to offer on the high-end (that it desperately needs to regain) and low-end (that it desperately needs to keep). SElop will be remembered as a man that ended European competitiveness in digital era.

That else he should have done is to licence Miguel de Icaza Silverlight runtime on MeeGo so that selected WP7 apps could run on it. This way he would have had a cake (sales of desirable, future proofed N9 ) and have eaten the cake (door open for joining whatever ecosystem that proves itself on the market).

Edited 2012-04-18 13:31 UTC

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RE[2]: Lazy carriers
by boblowski on Tue 17th Apr 2012 13:23 in reply to "RE: Lazy carriers"
boblowski Member since:
2007-07-23

No, I agree with blue_fox there, that's too simplistic.

Manufacturers can only do so much. In a modern marketing environment it's impossible to get the right products to the right market without the proper support of the channel.

Now I understand that those in the channel prefer the easy money first. But to justify their lack of willingness to invest in products and markets with a simple 'the manufacturer should try harder', that's a bit steep.

To see just how short-sighted that is, just look at Apple retailers and distributors: they sell a product with a huge mind share and market pull, but with almost no profits left for anyone actually selling it.

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RE[3]: Lazy carriers
by arpan on Tue 17th Apr 2012 14:08 in reply to "RE[2]: Lazy carriers"
arpan Member since:
2006-07-30

Ummm... your example proves the exact opposite. Apple had no presence in the mobile phone market, but then they came out with a fantastic product, and people bought it. That is why they are so profitable now and command such high margins.

At the time that the iPhone was released, Apple was a much smaller company, far smaller than Microsoft & Nokia, but they succeeded because they made a great product.

The Lumia & Windows Phone 7 are good, but they aren't good enough to succeed. Maybe once Windows 8 launches, a lot more apps will be developed for Metra and Windows Phone 7 will finally have great apps. But until then, it doesn't make sense to buy a Windows Phone, especially, since there is no guarantee that they will be upgraded to the NT kernel.

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RE[2]: Lazy carriers
by CapEnt on Tue 17th Apr 2012 13:31 in reply to "RE: Lazy carriers"
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2005-12-18

MS is accustomed to have "partners" (software companies and OEMs who invested heavily in development for Windows, and now can't survive out of it) pushing their own software products forward to final consumers, not themselves.

Indeed, other than Xbox, i don't remember a single product that MS seriously engaged in marketing for consumers (and marketing is not just airing commercials on TV).

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