Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 18th Apr 2012 13:54 UTC
Windows If you ever needed any proof it's anything but roses ans sunshine over at Microsoft's Windows Phone division, it's this. The next version of Windows Phone, WP8, will run on the NT kernel, which marks a pretty substantial departure from the current release. This raises the question: will current handsets be upgradeable to WP8? First, Microsoft indicated no. Then they said yes (interview retracted). And now, they're saying no again.
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Of course!
by bornagainenguin on Wed 18th Apr 2012 14:40 UTC
bornagainenguin
Member since:
2005-08-07

Microsoft is trying an innovative approach called "Insulting Your Customers" as a marketing scheme, hasn't anyone been paying attention?

First they do the whole "Smoked by Windows Phone 7" thing where they try to compete in a rigged competition and insult prospective buyers.

Then they have their Nokia division run adverts on TV claiming that everyone who was using a mobile phone was a sucker and an idiot paying to do beta testing for the Lumia 900.

What could possibly backfire with this approach?

--bornagainpenguin

EDIT: Actually this is nothing new, anyone else remember "The Mojave Experiment" they did where they pretended Vista was a new operating system? Yeah, when your marketing campaign relies on telling people "You're too stupid to know this is good!" the product and the company that spawned it is dead, it just doesn't know it yet...

Edited 2012-04-18 14:43 UTC

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RE: Of course!
by GraphiteCube on Wed 18th Apr 2012 15:08 in reply to "Of course!"
GraphiteCube Member since:
2009-04-01

What about the bashing from Apple? Remember the PC guy and Mac guy? Remember how Apple make fun on Windows users?

It is marketing.

Haters gonna hate, I don't care if the mod/ others make this as spam. I just feel that NOT only the media, also YOU people are also insulting Windows Phone users. Do everyone has to use Android/ iPhone just because everyone else use it? Are you people so free that you need to bash Windows (Phone) users to kill your time?

Learn to respect the choice made by the others, learn what that there are always someone else want "alternatives".

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RE[2]: Of course!
by imaginant on Wed 18th Apr 2012 15:36 in reply to "RE: Of course!"
imaginant Member since:
2010-02-26

This is not about hating or being a fanboy, and only a little about being insulting. It is more about being deceptive. Deception is just a form of lying. Lying to customers is at best unwise, if not incredibly stupid. Selling a phone which Microsoft and all associated parties, know will be obsolete in 6-months, but hide that fact, is just plain wrong. There is no hate in this, but there is karma, and karma is immutable. This is why posters are saying (in various iterations) that Microsoft will see a big backlash on this one. And yes, Microsoft and all associated parties did and do know the phone will be obsolete, regardless of what they say.

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RE[2]: Of course!
by djohnston on Wed 18th Apr 2012 19:43 in reply to "RE: Of course!"
djohnston Member since:
2006-04-11

Learn to respect the choice made by others, and that there is always someone who wants alternatives.


(Edited for clarity) Hey, that's a great line. Try it on the Redmond campus and see if it gets any traction. Any traction at all.

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RE[2]: Of course!
by bornagainenguin on Wed 18th Apr 2012 20:13 in reply to "RE: Of course!"
bornagainenguin Member since:
2005-08-07

GraphiteCube blustered...

Haters gonna hate, I don't care if the mod/ others make this as spam. I just feel that NOT only the media, also YOU people are also insulting Windows Phone users. Do everyone has to use Android/ iPhone just because everyone else use it? Are you people so free that you need to bash Windows (Phone) users to kill your time?


Whoa! ...whoa...

I didn't insult your mother or look at your girlfriend funny, all I said was Microsoft's marketing doesn't exactly inspire the fuzzies for me. And that none of their last few marketing campaigns have really resonated in a good way with me or others I know.

Why are you taking it so personally?

Also, using "you people" like that just makes me hear Rush Limbaugh's voice in my head for some reason. And that's not a good thing in this instance.

GraphiteCube blustered...
What about the bashing from Apple? Remember the PC guy and Mac guy? Remember how Apple make fun on Windows users?

It is marketing.


Yeah, bad marketing.

You know, I often laughed at the I'm a Mac and I'm a PC commercials because those were mocking the middle management types, but they were never really personal. Apple understood that they needed to make people want what they offered. Microsoft's advertising here was personal and an attack. Not surprising that you don't know the difference given your level of anger on display, but let me recap:

In the "Smoked by Windows 7" marketing Microsoft deliberately targets those who are already fans of their preferred mobile devices and seeks to humiliate them using rigged challenges.

In the Nokia commercials they tell potential customers who are using other devices that they've been tricked into paying to beta test for others. Then mocks people saying: You didn't really think those other phones were for real, did you?

In the Mojave Experiment Microsoft more or less told potential customers that they were simply too stupid to see how wonderful Vista really was.

It's personal. The only one who should be getting angry about the I'm a Mac; I'm a PC commercials is John Hodgman. Or Justin Long, for being made out to be a Hipster.

GraphiteCube blustered...
Learn to respect the choice made by the others, learn what that there are always someone else want "alternatives".


Look, I don't care if you want a Windows phone or if you want to jump out of a Window--I'm just saying that these ads aren't provoking what I think is the hoped for response. I think Microsoft is blowing it on multiple levels due to 70's era Ma Bell arrogance, because they're Microsoft and not recognizing that in the mobile market they're the underdogs. In such a situation you need to make friends not enemies.

Not that I'd expect you to understand that sentiment considering the way you responded. Or should that be "you people" at Microsoft? :-P

--bornagainpenguin

EDIT -added missing "not" to fix sentence

Edited 2012-04-18 20:14 UTC

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RE: Of course!
by gmlongo on Wed 18th Apr 2012 16:10 in reply to "Of course!"
gmlongo Member since:
2005-07-07

Except, by most reports, the Lumia 900 is selling very well...

It is strange to see so many anti-WP7 articles on the web lately considering that with the launch of the Lumia 900, WP7 is finally gaining awareness with the average consumer.

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RE[2]: Of course!
by skandalfo on Wed 18th Apr 2012 16:22 in reply to "RE: Of course!"
skandalfo Member since:
2010-04-07

Except, by most reports, the Lumia 900 is selling very well...


Citation needed?

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RE[2]: Of course!
by glarepate on Wed 18th Apr 2012 16:27 in reply to "RE: Of course!"
glarepate Member since:
2006-01-04

Except, by most reports, the Lumia 900 is selling very well...


Same as with the 800, eh? Except now the guidance from Nokia says that the Lumia line only sold 2 million units and that is part of why their earnings will be negative this quarter.

It is strange to see so many anti-WP7 articles on the web lately considering that with the launch of the Lumia 900, WP7 is finally gaining awareness with the average consumer.


Click trollers will use anything that has a buzz to it to get page hits. The increased awareness is part of what makes it work for them.

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RE[2]: Of course!
by arpan on Wed 18th Apr 2012 17:00 in reply to "RE: Of course!"
arpan Member since:
2006-07-30

If the Lumia 900 is selling well, then doesn't this news make it worse. Considering that Windows 7 was selling very poorly, that would mean that when Apollo is released, 75%+ of the phones that will be abandoned will be less than a year old. And the most popular models (800 & 900) are over $500 or come with 2 year commitments.

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RE[2]: Of course!
by Heard on Wed 18th Apr 2012 17:38 in reply to "RE: Of course!"
Heard Member since:
2009-12-24
RE: Of course!
by REM2000 on Wed 18th Apr 2012 18:43 in reply to "Of course!"
REM2000 Member since:
2006-07-25

i think ill have to find a smoked by Windows event and show how my phone can upgrade to the next version of the OS ;)

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RE[2]: Of course!
by gmlongo on Thu 19th Apr 2012 15:43 in reply to "RE: Of course!"
gmlongo Member since:
2005-07-07

Current WP7 devices ARE getting upgraded to the next version of the OS. Apollo is NOT the next version...

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