Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 26th Apr 2012 20:58 UTC, submitted by anonymous
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu The Canonical team has released Ubuntu 12.04 - a new long term support release. The biggest new feature is the HUD, an addition to the traditional application menu system, where you can search for the actions you want to perform instead of having to hunt for them in menus. Unity overall has been improved, and I must say that even though this new release is simply not at all ready for Asus ZenBooks, Unity runs perfectly well on it, and to my own shock and surprise, I'm slowly warming up to it. It's starting to make sense, it looks nice (especially after some custom tweaking), has become a lot more configurable, and it's really, really, really fast.
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sleep/hibernate ?
by TomF on Thu 26th Apr 2012 21:12 UTC
TomF
Member since:
2010-01-22

I hardly dare to post this question as no doubt some people will call me a moron:

Here goes, a retorical question: instead of forcing new behaviours on us, would it please be possible that sleep/hibernate issues be fixed ?

On a daily basis I switch my laptop between standalone and docked, between one screen and two screens; and each time I need a full reboot as sleep/hibernate simply hangs. This worked perfectly well on both my windows and mac laptops over the last decade.... but not on my linux laptop (at all).

of course, no doubt some people will tell me to write a patch myself...
I sincerely wish I could.
cynical ? nop, just what I experienced several times now ;)

TomUK

ps: feel free to call me a moron; I just wish I could make better use of my Linux laptop ;)

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RE: sleep/hibernate ?
by No it isnt on Thu 26th Apr 2012 22:05 in reply to "sleep/hibernate ?"
No it isnt Member since:
2005-11-14

Which GPU and which drivers?

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RE[2]: sleep/hibernate ?
by nzgreen on Thu 26th Apr 2012 22:13 in reply to "RE: sleep/hibernate ?"
nzgreen Member since:
2008-01-07

I know osnews isn't a support forum but this is how I would troubleshoot it. Cold boot docked and save output of lsmod. Cold boot undocked and do the same. Compare the lists and the unload any extra modules in the docked list before you suspend (there's a file you can add the modules to in /etc/pm.d iirc).

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RE: sleep/hibernate ?
by dbolgheroni on Thu 26th Apr 2012 22:10 in reply to "sleep/hibernate ?"
dbolgheroni Member since:
2007-01-18

Thanks to the crap design of ACPI and even crappier implementation of some vendors, this will always be a pain for almost all non-Windows, non-Mac users.

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RE: sleep/hibernate ?
by tuma324 on Thu 26th Apr 2012 22:36 in reply to "sleep/hibernate ?"
tuma324 Member since:
2010-04-09

I hardly dare to post this question as no doubt some people will call me a moron:

Here goes, a retorical question: instead of forcing new behaviours on us, would it please be possible that sleep/hibernate issues be fixed ?

On a daily basis I switch my laptop between standalone and docked, between one screen and two screens; and each time I need a full reboot as sleep/hibernate simply hangs. This worked perfectly well on both my windows and mac laptops over the last decade.... but not on my linux laptop (at all).

of course, no doubt some people will tell me to write a patch myself...
I sincerely wish I could.
cynical ? nop, just what I experienced several times now ;)

TomUK

ps: feel free to call me a moron; I just wish I could make better use of my Linux laptop ;)


What hardware and drivers are you using? Are you using proprietary drivers or in-kernel / open source drivers?

If this is a bug in FOSS drivers please file a bug to: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/

Thanks.

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RE: sleep/hibernate ?
by bassbeast on Fri 27th Apr 2012 06:05 in reply to "sleep/hibernate ?"
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

What I find sad is they claim Ubuntu is "Linux for humans" aka new users, yet when i pick my netbook, which is one of the more popular lines, which actually started out with Linux? what do i find immediately after the install page but this, the "fixes"

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EeePC/Fixes

Now does ANY of this look even a LITTLE noob friendly? this is one thing I can't stress enough, if you want Linux to succeed then you can't have pages of gobbledygook that a normal bog standard person, NOT a Linux admin or someone with Bash experience, is expected to accomplish by themselves! Either focus on drivers and stability or have a "Help me!" button so that someone that actually have skill and experience can take command and do this instead of expecting Suzy the checkout girl to suddenly become a fricking programmer!

As many complaints as i have with Windows this is ONE thing they get right. my 71 year old dad got impatient and decided to install Win 7 on his new machine all by himself. when i get there what do i find? A perfectly running machine, windows took care of all the drivers, no need to even insert any discs, it even pointed out he didn't have an AV and popped up a page with several free ones and pay ones to choose from. the ONLY thing I had to do was show him how to install Firefox.

It really doesn't matter how much cool stuff you put in if every device has to have a "fixes' page and I'm sorry but the average user won't care what the reason is, that's just an excuse. All they will know is the computer is broken and you expect them to take a dozen levels in geek skillz to get it working. I ran nothing but Linux for 3 years, I still run it in a VM now, but in all honestly this kind of stuff just makes Linux look like a geek server OS. I mean this is supposed to be the EASY OS remember?

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RE[2]: sleep/hibernate ?
by Soulbender on Fri 27th Apr 2012 06:23 in reply to "RE: sleep/hibernate ?"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

That page seem to reference mostly older versions so maybe this is already fixed? Progress happens sometimes, ya know.

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RE: sleep/hibernate ?
by timefortea on Fri 27th Apr 2012 09:50 in reply to "sleep/hibernate ?"
timefortea Member since:
2006-10-11

This is my number one issue for running Windows 7 on my laptop in work (number two is that the corporate apps are all based around Exchange / Sharepoint but that isn't so big an issue). I move between single/multiple screens and dock/undock and over the years this has never worked seamlessly on Linux (we only ever use Thinkpads). There are a few people in the office who run Linux natively but they tend to leave their laptops permanently docked and don't take them to meetings. The rest of us run Windows natively and run Linux in VMs, otherwise there would be no end of trouble - on a few occasions when someone running Linux natively tried to present using a projector, they couldn't get it to work properly and there was a lot of joking that they'd need to recompile the kernel to get it working ;)

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RE: sleep/hibernate ?
by Dave_K on Fri 27th Apr 2012 13:13 in reply to "sleep/hibernate ?"
Dave_K Member since:
2005-11-16

It was primarily sleep/hibernate issues that drove me back to Windows on my Thinkpad.

After a weekend spent struggling to get Linux working properly, with no solution in sight, it was quicker and easier to install XP to get a fully working system.

A shame, as I genuinely would prefer to be running Linux Mint on it.

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RE[2]: sleep/hibernate ?
by diegoviola on Fri 27th Apr 2012 16:58 in reply to "RE: sleep/hibernate ?"
diegoviola Member since:
2006-08-15

It was primarily sleep/hibernate issues that drove me back to Windows on my Thinkpad.

After a weekend spent struggling to get Linux working properly, with no solution in sight, it was quicker and easier to install XP to get a fully working system.

A shame, as I genuinely would prefer to be running Linux Mint on it.


Strange, I've never had problems with suspend/hibernate/resume on Linux.

My computers are: ThinkPad T510 and a bunch of desktops with ASUS motherboards (P5P41T-LE, etc).

I suggest you file bug reports to: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/ if you are still struggling with suspend/hibernate problems.

Also, ask/pressure your hardware manufacturers to contribute back fixes as well.

Edited 2012-04-27 16:59 UTC

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RE[2]: sleep/hibernate ?
by TomF on Fri 27th Apr 2012 21:25 in reply to "RE: sleep/hibernate ?"
TomF Member since:
2010-01-22

thanks for all the supportive remarks - really appreciated. It was indeed a retorical question as the actual issue is already logged as a bug... except that no one is interested in fixing it (Lenovo business laptop) ... and yes, I wish I could do it myself :/

Tom UK

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RE[2]: sleep/hibernate ?
by diegoviola on Fri 27th Apr 2012 23:09 in reply to "RE: sleep/hibernate ?"
diegoviola Member since:
2006-08-15

It was primarily sleep/hibernate issues that drove me back to Windows on my Thinkpad.

After a weekend spent struggling to get Linux working properly, with no solution in sight, it was quicker and easier to install XP to get a fully working system.

A shame, as I genuinely would prefer to be running Linux Mint on it.


Hi Dave,

please see my response to TomF below, I would recommend that you upgrade your kernel to the latest 3.3.x as a lot of ACPI patches went to 3.3.x.

Linux 3.3.x also fixed some ACPI issues I had with shutdown/reboot on my ThinkPad laptop, perhaps the latest kernel will fix things for you too.

It's also recommended that you always try the latest kernel version before reporting issues.

If your problem persists with the latest kernel I recommend you take some time and report the issue to: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/

Please try suspend/hibernate with the latest kernel and report things back.

Thanks.

Edited 2012-04-27 23:10 UTC

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RE: sleep/hibernate ?
by pklausner on Fri 27th Apr 2012 16:17 in reply to "sleep/hibernate ?"
pklausner Member since:
2009-07-23

Oh yes.
sleep/hibernate with Linux is a lottery game. If you are lucky, it works. Sometimes. With some specific distro release and the proper BIOS. Sigh...

To be fair:
I have occasional problems with my trusty old WinXP laptop. And even more with a 2010Q4 Macbook Pro. How Apple manages to screw up with just a handful of models to support is beyond me.

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RE: sleep/hibernate ?
by Browser Insider on Sun 29th Apr 2012 18:02 in reply to "sleep/hibernate ?"
Browser Insider Member since:
2009-06-16

I'm fairly satisfied with Ubuntu now, even if Unite is still slow.

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