Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 27th Apr 2012 02:56 UTC
In the News "Sir Jonathan Ive has been crowned British Visionary Innovator in a competition, run by the Intellectual Property Office. Ive won by a large margin with almost fifty per cent of the vote (46.6%). In second place was Sir Tim Berners-Lee (inventor of the world wide web) with 18.8 per cent of the vote. James Goodfellow OBE (the inventor of PIN technology and the cash machine) was in third place with 15.2 per cent of the vote." Alan Turing was also nominated. If you ever needed an illustration of everything that's wrong with the technology industry today, it's this. Guy who designs the exterior of mass-market gadgets wins over guys who actually really contributed to technology. Telling.
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RE[2]: Missing the point
by Tony Swash on Fri 27th Apr 2012 13:46 UTC in reply to "RE: Missing the point"
Tony Swash
Member since:
2009-08-22

The award was a result of people voting. Democracy can be irritating if one disagrees with how other people vote. People voted for Ives because his work resonates with them and that's because of their experience of his (and Apple's) work. bear in mind also that Ives has a portfolio of work over a period of time and one that is building a very large and deep cultural footprint.

a designer of the exterior of mass-market gadgets


You still thinking about design in a shallow way. It's a classic error and one that almost all of Apple's competitors make. There is a very good film about the importance of design called 'Objectified' that's worth a look.

http://www.objectifiedfilm.com/objectified-trailer/

his wholesale Braun ripoffs not withstanding.


Now, now - stop being bitchy. Ives 'ripped off' Dieter Rams in the same way Henri Matisse. 'ripped off' Gauguin ;)

In 200 years' time, nobody will give two shits about iPods and iPhones.

Like we have forgotten about the the Fender Stratocaster, the Helvetica type face, the Swiss Army Knife, Levi 501 Denim Jeans, Telephone Type 300 or the Mercedes-Benz 300SL perhaps??

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RE[3]: Missing the point
by kwan_e on Fri 27th Apr 2012 14:10 in reply to "RE[2]: Missing the point"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

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In 200 years' time, nobody will give two shits about iPods and iPhones.

Like we have forgotten about the the Fender Stratocaster, the Helvetica type face, the Swiss Army Knife, Levi 501 Denim Jeans, Telephone Type 300 or the Mercedes-Benz 300SL perhaps?? [/q]

Forgetting and "not giving two shits" are different things.

The Fender Stratocaster hasn't been around for 200 years. Neither has the Merc 300SL. Neither has Helvetica. The Swiss Army Knife actually has a use, rather than just looking good.

What's more telling is that you obviously think the Helvetica type face is on equal importance with the invention of the WWW, or the mathematical bases of computing.

What next? Are you going to try to argue that Lady Gaga songs are of equal importance to the discovery of penicillin?

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RE[4]: Missing the point
by M.Onty on Fri 27th Apr 2012 16:05 in reply to "RE[3]: Missing the point"
M.Onty Member since:
2009-10-23


What's more telling is that you obviously think the Helvetica type face is on equal importance with the invention of the WWW, or the mathematical bases of computing.


I'm not sure that is obvious. He was giving an example of products that haven't been forgotten yet, not making direct comparisons.

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RE[4]: Missing the point
by Tony Swash on Fri 27th Apr 2012 16:22 in reply to "RE[3]: Missing the point"
Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

What's more telling is that you obviously think the Helvetica type face is on equal importance with the invention of the WWW, or the mathematical bases of computing.


I don't think that actually, I think you may be responding to a point I did not make. I do think that the Helvetica typeface was a pivotal moment in the development of modern graphic design and that when the history of the culture of the 20th and 21st century is written in the 22nd century understanding why the graphic design of almost all media changed sharply after 1957 (and remained changed at least until now) and the role of a single typeface in that change will still be of serious interest.

I do think that seminal objects and designs that have reshaped mass culture have an enduring importance.

There is a really interesting and entertaining film just about the cultural impact of Helvetica - worth a look in my opinion. Once you have watched this film you will view the visual fabric of your life utterly differently ;)

There are some clips here

http://www.helveticafilm.com/clips.html#

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RE[3]: Missing the point
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 27th Apr 2012 16:36 in reply to "RE[2]: Missing the point"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

You still thinking about design in a shallow way.


I don't (you'll see with the next version of OSNews, designed by me). I just think it's utterly idiotic to consider the design of a music player and phone to be as important as the world wide web or Turing's work.

The only reason you think about Ive like this is because he's from Apple. That's all there's to it. Had Berners-Lee been an Apple employee, you would've defended him. That's just how you operate.

Edited 2012-04-27 16:37 UTC

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RE[3]: Missing the point
by tylerdurden on Fri 27th Apr 2012 18:34 in reply to "RE[2]: Missing the point"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

Like we have forgotten about the the Fender Stratocaster, the Helvetica type face, the Swiss Army Knife, Levi 501 Denim Jeans, Telephone Type 300 or the Mercedes-Benz 300SL perhaps??



I think you have your orders of magnitude mixed up... none of these items is more than a few decades old, let alone hundreds of years.

Edited 2012-04-27 18:36 UTC

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