Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 27th Apr 2012 02:56 UTC
In the News "Sir Jonathan Ive has been crowned British Visionary Innovator in a competition, run by the Intellectual Property Office. Ive won by a large margin with almost fifty per cent of the vote (46.6%). In second place was Sir Tim Berners-Lee (inventor of the world wide web) with 18.8 per cent of the vote. James Goodfellow OBE (the inventor of PIN technology and the cash machine) was in third place with 15.2 per cent of the vote." Alan Turing was also nominated. If you ever needed an illustration of everything that's wrong with the technology industry today, it's this. Guy who designs the exterior of mass-market gadgets wins over guys who actually really contributed to technology. Telling.
Thread beginning with comment 515956
To view parent comment, click here.
To read all comments associated with this story, please click here.
RE[3]: Missing the point
by kwan_e on Fri 27th Apr 2012 14:10 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Missing the point"
kwan_e
Member since:
2007-02-18

[q

In 200 years' time, nobody will give two shits about iPods and iPhones.

Like we have forgotten about the the Fender Stratocaster, the Helvetica type face, the Swiss Army Knife, Levi 501 Denim Jeans, Telephone Type 300 or the Mercedes-Benz 300SL perhaps?? [/q]

Forgetting and "not giving two shits" are different things.

The Fender Stratocaster hasn't been around for 200 years. Neither has the Merc 300SL. Neither has Helvetica. The Swiss Army Knife actually has a use, rather than just looking good.

What's more telling is that you obviously think the Helvetica type face is on equal importance with the invention of the WWW, or the mathematical bases of computing.

What next? Are you going to try to argue that Lady Gaga songs are of equal importance to the discovery of penicillin?

Reply Parent Score: 3

RE[4]: Missing the point
by M.Onty on Fri 27th Apr 2012 16:05 in reply to "RE[3]: Missing the point"
M.Onty Member since:
2009-10-23


What's more telling is that you obviously think the Helvetica type face is on equal importance with the invention of the WWW, or the mathematical bases of computing.


I'm not sure that is obvious. He was giving an example of products that haven't been forgotten yet, not making direct comparisons.

Reply Parent Score: 1

RE[5]: Missing the point
by kwan_e on Fri 27th Apr 2012 17:19 in reply to "RE[4]: Missing the point"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

"
What's more telling is that you obviously think the Helvetica type face is on equal importance with the invention of the WWW, or the mathematical bases of computing.


I'm not sure that is obvious. He was giving an example of products that haven't been forgotten yet, not making direct comparisons.
"

Given the context, he's obviously making the statement that they are equally important enough to both be remembered in 200 years time. I accept that my comment reads as though I said Tony Swash thinks they are equal in technological achievement.

I just find it highly amusing that in response to Thom's "200 years time" argument, he brings up as examples things that have barely made it past half a century.

Reply Parent Score: 2

RE[4]: Missing the point
by Tony Swash on Fri 27th Apr 2012 16:22 in reply to "RE[3]: Missing the point"
Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

What's more telling is that you obviously think the Helvetica type face is on equal importance with the invention of the WWW, or the mathematical bases of computing.


I don't think that actually, I think you may be responding to a point I did not make. I do think that the Helvetica typeface was a pivotal moment in the development of modern graphic design and that when the history of the culture of the 20th and 21st century is written in the 22nd century understanding why the graphic design of almost all media changed sharply after 1957 (and remained changed at least until now) and the role of a single typeface in that change will still be of serious interest.

I do think that seminal objects and designs that have reshaped mass culture have an enduring importance.

There is a really interesting and entertaining film just about the cultural impact of Helvetica - worth a look in my opinion. Once you have watched this film you will view the visual fabric of your life utterly differently ;)

There are some clips here

http://www.helveticafilm.com/clips.html#

Reply Parent Score: 1

RE[5]: Missing the point
by kwan_e on Fri 27th Apr 2012 17:14 in reply to "RE[4]: Missing the point"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

"What's more telling is that you obviously think the Helvetica type face is on equal importance with the invention of the WWW, or the mathematical bases of computing.


I don't think that actually, I think you may be responding to a point I did not make.
"

Oh but you did make and you continue to make it, because you are using it as an argument to support the notion that Jonathan Ives deserved the award more than Berners-Lee and Turing.

There is a really interesting and entertaining film just about the cultural impact of Helvetica - worth a look in my opinion. Once you have watched this film you will view the visual fabric of your life utterly differently ;)


Sorry, but my life is too fulfilling already for a typeface to be worth anything. And that says a lot, given that I'm an atheist with no purpose in life ;)

I personally can't tell the difference between Helvetica and Arial or other popular sans-serif fonts and don't care to. I doubt most people can (or care) either.

I can sink this self-importance with one single question: how significantly has the Helvetica typeface impacted Chinese or Indian culture?

Reply Parent Score: 3