Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 26th Oct 2005 18:49 UTC
Gnome The first in a new series of development builds of GNOME has been released. You can compile GNOME 2.13.1 by using these jhbuild modulesets. Planned features can be found here.
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RE[3]: KPDF vs Evince
by on Wed 26th Oct 2005 22:47 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: KPDF vs Evince "

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> This just reinforces that you are a brainless troll.

This only reinforces

a) My prove that people keep using fake accounts to moderate valid comments down.

b) That you kept ignoring the fact that the evince links provided by me are hosted on a *.gnome.org server and show Evince with the same problems on Fedora Core 4 and Debian (which obviously use stable tarball releases).

http://www.gnome.org/~clarkbw/images/screenshot-evince-fc4-evince-a...
http://www.gnome.org/~clarkbw/images/screenshot-evince-debian-evinc...
http://www.jawebada.de/dl/evince-ss.png

c) That the guy who wrote the blog seem to be one of the core Evince developers.

http://www.gnome.org/~clarkbw/blog/these_are_awesome

d) That there are at least half a dozen bugs reported for Evince just by me with valid confirmed bugs.

So far, since I only share my personal objective opinion on GNOME I do believe that I am right with what I say.

Assuming this, even if I use GNOME from CVS, then you can be sure that these problems do exists for months now. Also shown in that movie. And from the date of the movie till now different versions of GNOME has been released 2.12.0 - 2.13.1 which means, pretty much stable as well as testing tarballs got released but none of these bugs got fixed. Or in case they got fixed dozens of new ones have shown up meanwhile.

Evince is new - and ? It has been put into offical GNOME 2.12 release and shows the same symthoms. It's valid to argue if something in a stable release (and beyond that) is not working correctly that this is not good for corporate needs. Half working Software is still broken software. The IT Industry in the USA do have a high standard for software and even non existing documentation, half translated software or software not working as written in the docs, or as specified is a guarantee that the company who wrote the software won't see a buck until the software is fixed (which can easily ruin a company). Of course this is not valid for open source stuff (maybe I'm wrong but who knows) but it's clear that the software is buggy as hell. Basic stuff not working properly means that it's not corporate ready.

I have no issues if GNOME continues the way it is, but please understand that the marketing that GNOME does won't help anyone. Their marketing sells GNOME as corporate ready - but it sadly isn't and as long as this behavior continues no serious business or company will care.

Even SUN (as read in a different article) seems to be stepping away from GNOME (as JDS) to use Looking Glass for future JDS releases.

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RE[4]: KPDF vs Evince
by on Wed 26th Oct 2005 22:55 in reply to "RE[3]: KPDF vs Evince "
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Even SUN (as read in a different article) seems to be stepping away from GNOME (as JDS) to use Looking Glass for future JDS releases.

Uh, no, they're just shipping it because it's cool. JDS is still 100% GNOME based, on Solaris and Linux. What they actually announced is that a bunch of the Sun apps from JDS (including StarOffice, their modifications to Mozilla and the Java VM) will be supported on other operating systems.

You're a loon, Ali.

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RE[5]: KPDF vs Evince
by segedunum on Thu 27th Oct 2005 08:49 in reply to "RE[4]: KPDF vs Evince "
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2005-07-06

Uh, no, they're just shipping it because it's cool.

They're not wasting their time on Looking Glass for nothing. Honestly, if and when they get Looking Glass into a stable form, can you really see them continuing to use Gnome? They can just run Gnome and other apps like Star Office and Firefox in Looking Glass anyway.

It does seem that Sun have never really went 100% with Gnome, although it's sometimes difficult to gauge anything from Sun. You look at their JDS and it's nothing like vanilla Gnome at all. It's basically a clone of Windows, and when you look at Gnome UI differences like the button ordering and HIG differences you have to ask yourself why.

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v RE[4]: KPDF vs Evince
by Truthseeker on Wed 26th Oct 2005 22:57 in reply to "RE[3]: KPDF vs Evince "